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Post by Le Mario Bro on Dec 9, 2010 19:52:22 GMT -5
Of course it'd only be a matter of time that I, this forum's official Paper Mario nerd, should finally get around to posting a topic such as this. Random Passerby: Then why don't you use that same enthusiasm to update your Art Thread? Me: *throws pineapple* I need a new laptop that isn't dead before I start with that. *ahem* Anyway... Comment below whenever you find some new info you want to share with everyone about the game, or when you just want to fawn over it, like I may do from time to time.  Okeeday, fare thee well. |
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Post by Artemendo on Dec 10, 2010 2:29:14 GMT -5
That Chain Chomp, I mean, if it's not beta design, but rather the finished character, that's simply horrible. The only thing that could excuse that would be the possibility to have a wide range of common enemies as partners, like the battle partners in Mario Party 3 (but more), instead of the 7-9 normal, fleshed-out-character party members we get every game. However, if this guy has a story, and lines, and STILL looks like this, then Intelligent Systems has officially ceased to be intelligent.
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Post by 1up on Dec 10, 2010 2:33:24 GMT -5
Methinks it's just a beta design.
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Post by SMBBQ on Dec 10, 2010 7:41:38 GMT -5
Personally, I really hope that there's a Toad party member. We haven't ever had one, but they're so important in the series.
As for attacks, make him a student of The Master. That way, he'll have some basic attacks.
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Dec 10, 2010 12:38:48 GMT -5
Okay, I keep hearing these rumors that Mario may end up being the final boss of this game.
I mean, it makes sense once you think about how Bowser, Peach, and Luigi were the final bosses in all the other games, but then there's no way to know how the game itself is going to play out.
After all, if Mario is really going to be the final boss, who would fight against him? The partners? And even then, you'd be so used to fighting with Mario, especially if he gains special powers throughout the game, you'd have to think of a whole new strategy to try and beat him.
Now, I'm not saying that any of this is true, I just find it rather dubious.
I mean, it's obvious that the fans will end up being wrong, but still...
Comments?
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 10, 2010 12:48:08 GMT -5
Okay, I keep hearing these rumors that Mario may end up being the final boss of this game. I mean, it makes sense once you think about how Bowser, Peach, and Luigi were the final bosses in all the other games, but then there's no way to know how the game itself is going to play out. After all, if Mario is really going to be the final boss, who would fight against him? The partners? And even then, you'd be so used to fighting with Mario, especially if he gains special powers throughout the game, you'd have to think of a whole new strategy to try and beat him. Now, I'm not saying that any of this is true, I just find it rather dubious... I'm the one who started the rumor, blame me. Someone gave a theory of the battle happening inside Mario's mind, where he fights the evil who's possessing him. Some other have the idea of a Giygas-like boss. And some other would just like Bowser or Giga Bowser... Here's the best theory IMO: As usual in the PM series, the battle will be divided into three parts. Part 1: Mario fights the final boss. Part 2: The final boss takes over Mario's body, and you fight him by using your partners. His HPs don't go down though, and you have to lose the battle. - Cutscene: the partners can't battle anymore, but they use their last forces to use the game's 7 collected artifacts to attack the possessed Mario. The shock weakened down the villain, and allowed the real Mario to wake up in his own mind, where he has to battle against the villain, who appears in a Giygas-ish form. Part 3: Real final battle. You can use special attacks even if you don't technically have the artifacts though, but that's not a problem. You see Super Mario Bros.' World 1-1 scrolling in a disturbing, distorded form in the background, while the music is a scary/epic remix of Mario's usual theme. |
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Dec 10, 2010 12:50:13 GMT -5
 I-it's...s-so... Beautiful...  *hugs wall of text* Okay, now I'm going to be angry if the guys at Intelligent Systems don't do something like this...  |
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Post by SMBBQ on Dec 10, 2010 17:27:43 GMT -5
Mario's a silent protaganist though. He seems to have no faults, and not enough of a personality to be posessed. Not what I want at all...
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Post by 1up on Dec 10, 2010 17:37:36 GMT -5
But, I've never liked Mario being a silent protagonist. I really wish he'd talk.
Luigi seems to fluctuate between talking (PM series) and being a silent protagonist (M&L series), which has always been kinda jarring for me.
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Post by SMBBQ on Dec 10, 2010 17:49:47 GMT -5
Silent protaganists bridge the gap between the game and life, IMO. That's why I love Nintendo, silent protaganists all around.
Mario having actual dialogue would take away the experience. (Again, IMO)
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 10, 2010 18:42:29 GMT -5
Mario's a silent protaganist though. He seems to have no faults, and not enough of a personality to be posessed. Not what I want at all... He's moody, thus over-enjoyed at times and hyper serious at others. He's somewhat selfish and would like to keep for himself what he likes, but he's ready to help anyone. However, he has somewhat of a big ego sometimes, to the point he'd hurt a kid who insulted him. He also thinks after doing, which would leave him in troubles sometimes. He has a lot of qualities, but he has enough defaults to call that a personality. |
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Post by PDoogan on Dec 10, 2010 18:53:25 GMT -5
He's moody, thus over-enjoyed at times and hyper serious at others. He's somewhat selfish and would like to keep for himself what he likes, but he's ready to help anyone. However, he has somewhat of a big ego sometimes, to the point he'd hurt a kid who insulted him. He also thinks after doing, which would leave him in troubles sometimes. What? No! He's more of the kind of guy who is willing to help anybody in need (including his enemies at times...) and doesn't expect anything in return. He also manages to have fun regardless of what he's doing, though can be a bit reckless in dangerous situations. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 10, 2010 19:05:07 GMT -5
He doesn't except anything in return, but don't forget the Mario vs Bowser rivarly is pretty much about two guys fighting for a girl. Sure, Bowser's ways of keeping her are violent - sending his army - but Mario's ways of getting her back are violent too - kill, or at least seriously beat up everyone he sees.
And he doesn't seem to have a lot of fun, or even to be particularly enjoyed, in the Mario & Luigi series. While he's like a hyperactive child in New Super Mario Bros. Wii. He was quite serious in Mario Sunshine too.
And he did try to punch Gaz in Mario RPG.
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Post by 1up on Dec 10, 2010 22:05:19 GMT -5
This is exactly why Mario needs to not be a silent protagonist, so he has a defined personality.
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Post by Sarisa on Dec 10, 2010 22:07:25 GMT -5
He doesn't except anything in return, but don't forget the Mario vs Bowser rivarly is pretty much about two guys fighting for a girl. Sure, Bowser's ways of keeping her are violent - sending his army - but Mario's ways of getting her back are violent too - kill, or at least seriously beat up everyone he sees. To be fair, Bowser causes massive amounts of collateral damage in the process. The weekly kidnapping attempt leaves a few Toad guards injured and some brickwork in need of repair. An actual plan requires reconquering whatever areas Bowser's minions conquered this time, and it's not the Mushroom Army that's going to do that From what I've seen, the MK has a few ineffectual guards, and it has Mario and Luigi. They are the MK military, and militaries usually (re)conquer land violently; it's what they're there for. I don't see Mario as having many personality weaknesses. All I can think of are the short temper and often acting before thinking (and it's bad when they combine), but to set against that he doesn't hold grudges and will help anyone who needs it, within his limits; he's a superhero, not a politician, and he's only good at solving problems that require jumping on someone enough times to knock them out. With a scheming, untrustworthy king nearby, extraterrestrial invasions, ancient evils, and other countries' problems spilling over the border, the Mushroom Kingdom has a lot of problems that meet that description. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 11, 2010 4:17:15 GMT -5
Mario and Luigi aren't really the millitary. Just two heroes.
Bowser may cause damages, but Mario causes a lot of damages too. When he uses a Mega Mushroom, for instance.
Although I see what you mean.
Mario has still a couple defaults, so it's enough to call that a personality. Plus he's not really your pure-heart, epic hero, according to Miyamoto (who said there was no good guy or bad guy in the Mario series - obviously ignoring the RPGs).
Still, his personality is "plain", so that's why I was thinking about there being a distorded, creepy version of World 1-1 of SMB scrolling in the background of the very final battle. It doesn't show any side of Mario's personality, yet it's a well known part of the most famous Mario game ever.
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Post by cheat-master30 on Dec 11, 2010 12:39:56 GMT -5
There's no good or bad guy in the Mario series? I guess you could be generous and say either Mario or Bowser's side are sympathetic (I've seen a few people support Bowser rather than Mario for example), but to say the Shroobs, Smithy, Dimentio, Fawful, Dark Star, etc are remotely 'good' in any sense seems to be pushing the boundaries of believability...
Still, I like the fact Mario doesn't have much of a personality. His voice actor knows when to speak and when to keep quiet (except Mario Kart Wii), which is a far greater improvement than anything else over characters like Sonic who act like an obnoxious hyperactive child.
It also keeps Mario from being the overbearing, emo brat most Japanese video game protagonists are. Aka, no Mario version of Metroid Other M, thank God.
Finally, it keeps the series about Mario's actions, rather than his character. Those are always the best of kind of story, and for any popular action type story in existance, the best examples have main characters who are only JUST fleshed out more than a Mii. Look at say, Star Wars, or Indiana Jones, or maybe Harry Potter, or heck, any Shakespeare play. There are characters, but they don't have a personality forced on people all the time, allowing the story to concentrate on the adventure and actions and leaving the 'deeper' personality aspects to the expanded universe and literature professors.
Back to Paper Mario though...
Not complaining, I like the Chain Chomp, just because the Chain Chomp has never been a partner before. It should have been, and now it is, so I don't care about the personality much.
I doubt the final battle will take place in Mario's mind though. I honestly hope it involves no more 'power of hope/wishes/love' stuff though, three games in, and we've had enough of that tired cliche to last a lifetime.
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Post by Artemendo on Dec 11, 2010 12:47:31 GMT -5
Aka, no Mario version of Metroid Other M, thank God. Mario: "Princess Peach-a, do you read-a me? Requesting authorization on-a the Ice Flower." Peach: "Authorization denied." Mario: "But I'm-a fighting a giant Podoboo!" |
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Post by Sarisa on Dec 11, 2010 14:32:26 GMT -5
Back to Paper Mario though... Not complaining, I like the Chain Chomp, just because the Chain Chomp has never been a partner before. It should have been, and now it is, so I don't care about the personality much. I doubt the final battle will take place in Mario's mind though. I honestly hope it involves no more 'power of hope/wishes/love' stuff though, three games in, and we've had enough of that tired cliche to last a lifetime. There should be a list somewhere of creatures that are overdue to be partners. I assume there will be a Goomba, a Koopa Troopa, and a Bob-omb, since the first two games both had those, which leaves four or five positions open. One will, hopefully, be taken by the Chain Chomp. We haven't had a Hammer Bro. partner yet; they overlap with the Koopa role so one might replace a Koopa Troopa. We haven't had a Toad partner in this series, only platformer enemy species and one-offs. Definitely overdue. No Shy Guy partner yet, and that's a huge gap. We haven't had a Clubba partner, and they're prominent in the PM universe. No Magikoopa partner; that would be interesting - and that's five. The power of wishes isn't going anywhere; as far as I can tell, wishes and their realization underpin the Mario universe. For goodness' sake, the closest equivalent to gods are devoted to triaging wishes and making the good ones come true! |
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Post by 1up on Dec 11, 2010 15:47:37 GMT -5
Still, I like the fact Mario doesn't have much of a personality. His voice actor knows when to speak and when to keep quiet (except Mario Kart Wii), which is a far greater improvement than anything else over characters like Sonic who act like an obnoxious hyperactive child. [/b][/quote] Since when has Sonic acted like that...? >_> Samus Aran isn't an emo brat. The person who wrote the dialogue and story for Other M was just a blockhead, that's all. Samus has inner-monologues in the Metroid games quite often (Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion). The only difference is, they're actually well-written and don't completely betray her established personality. Sorry, but I really disagree with this comment as well. 1) Character development and emotion trump actual plot points and action any day of the week. Most stories nowadays are just variations of older pre-existing stories. It's impossible to be completely original, as far as plot is concerned, in this day and age. What keeps today's stories from being boring and redundant are the new and interesting characters that they're about, all of their quirks, flaws, and objectives. 2) Luke Skywalker, Indiana Jones, and Harry Potter all have thoroughly explored and established thoughts and personalities. They have defined character traits that are recognizable and distinct. I can almost guarantee you that the Indiana Jones movies, or even the James Bond movies, wouldn't be anywhere near as memorable or successful if the main characters weren't as interesting and quirky as they were. |
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