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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 17, 2010 20:34:45 GMT -5
I justely said MKDD states that this game's Birdo is a man (or more preicsely Yoshi's boyfriend).
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 17, 2010 20:40:24 GMT -5
Notice the Question Mark there, though? I'd say that either A)Yoshi(And Birdo Himself) are unaware of his Gender, B)The Birdo Species has neither Male nor Females. Only Hermaphrodites(Can act as either Male or Female), the Character prefers to be a Girl, however, or C)Nintendo dropped the Transvestite Dinosaur thing. Right?
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 17, 2010 20:43:58 GMT -5
The question mark doesn't mean anything. "?!" shows surprise and / or unexpectedment. MAYBE that Yoshi is unaware of Birdo's gender, but I doubt he's that stupid.
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Post by kingkoopa on Aug 17, 2010 20:46:27 GMT -5
This is why Birdo is not a popular Nintendo character
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Post by SMBBQ on Aug 17, 2010 22:03:07 GMT -5
I hope I'm not late for the party, but have you read Claws's old timeline? Though itbases Mario living on Earth, it gives a reason for Mario to be in Big Ape City.
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Post by Sarisa on Aug 18, 2010 1:20:18 GMT -5
Japanese Mario games and materials have a long history of being vague on the individual/species distinction.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 18, 2010 11:19:21 GMT -5
Not really. Seeing the difference between Kamek the character and Kamek the species is easy: when there's a Kamek separated from the others that doesn't get killed by Mario, it's Kamek. Toad represents his species and thus is most probably the first single Toad you see in the game (this is already the case for SMRPG, SM64, M&L1 and SPM) and, because he's a Mushroom Retainer, he appeared in SMB, SMB:TLL and M&L3. But he's not an important character after all. For Yoshi, it's even easier. I think the only character that was made distinct yet is extremely minor is Birdo. But I'm probably wrong.
Hey, considering you have some knowledge of the Japanese language, do you know if it's stated, at a moment or another, if Mario actually kills his enemies ?
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Post by cheat-master30 on Aug 18, 2010 11:35:04 GMT -5
So presumably, these Magikoopas are likely THE Kamek:
the main antagonist in Yoshi's Island and the DS sequel The one in Partners in Time The seventh (I think?) boss in Super Princess Peach The one in Mario Party which is seperate from the Magikoopa capsule. The version in Tetris Attack Likely the one in the intro of Bowser's Inside Story (as well as the one feeding Bowser in the ending). The New Super Mario Bros Wii character The Mario Party DS character/boss
Possibly Kamek:
The unnamed male Magikoopa who's with Bowser in the Paper Mario games (there's actually an enemy called 'Kamek's apprentice' apparently, supporting this) The Magikoopa boss from Super Mario RPG The beta character from Mario Kart 64
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 18, 2010 11:39:35 GMT -5
The SPP one is completely different from Kamek in appearance, and the game calls him "a Kamek", i.e. a mistranslation, should be Magikoopa.
The SMRPG one is almost definitely Kamek in my opinion. He does have power to create infinite coins, which is stronger than any normal Magikoopa.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 18, 2010 11:42:25 GMT -5
Kamek is in SMRPG (he's a boss in Bowser's Castle, his psychopath thought even says "Is that... my son?", referring to how he's the one who educated Bowser), SPM (he's next to Bowser, I guess Kammy Koopa was replacing him) and... wait, what's this "Kamek's apprentice" enemy ? I can't remember it.
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Post by cheat-master30 on Aug 18, 2010 11:57:35 GMT -5
I got the apprentice bit from Mario Wiki. Might be on the beta page.
As for the one in Super Princess Peach, true, but it's not a normal Magikoopa, it guards Luigi of all people and is a boss, so it's more likely to be Kamek (or maybe Kamella or something) than a generic Magikoopa, especially as it's completely different in design to the normal mooks.
As for Kammy Koopa... the irony is she got rereplaced by her replacement once Super Paper Mario and onwards came around.
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 18, 2010 12:01:12 GMT -5
Kammy Koopa was a constantly funny character, Kamek is a 50/50 thing. When he talks, he might be funny, but it's not always the case. I'd rather have Kammy.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 23, 2010 1:01:11 GMT -5
I hate how Kammy appears in the PM Series, while Kamek fills that role in all the other games. Is Kamek just on vaction, or what? I've stated before that I think the Koopalings don't appear in recent games bacause they could care less about kidnapping the Princess. But where are they during the events of BiS? Did they get thrown out? Imprisoned? Were they Brain-washed like the rest? I don'tknow...
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 23, 2010 11:36:09 GMT -5
I suppose the Koopa army has another "main" castle, where Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings live with their own little army. Maybe that their "Kamek" is Kammy Koopa. I know the canon of that source is very unsure, but the bio of Bowser Jr. in... the US website of Mario Power Tennis, I think, states that he lives in "Magma Castle".
As for PM and PM2, I guess Kamek was in vacation at the time (but I doubt PM and PM2 happen around the same time, so those must be two different vacations) so Bowser hired another high-ranked Magikoopa to replace him (and we didn't saw Kammy Koopa before because she was in the Magma Castle, maybe ?).
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Post by Vent on Aug 23, 2010 16:55:14 GMT -5
In terms of the actual game, there seems to be an unwritten rule that certain characters stay confined to their respective sub-series, which is why we only ever see Kammy in PM1.
For a literally explanation, it could be that Bowser has an order of high-ranking Magikoopas that serve different purposes (Kamella, Giant Kamek, etc.), and Kamek just doesn't so as much as he used to when Bowser was a child. Remember, just because Kammy Koopa isn't visible in some games doesn't mean she's not hanging around the castle somewhere.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 23, 2010 17:58:37 GMT -5
But Giant Kamek IS Kamek... Since Kamek is pretty much Bowsers' Dad, maybe he spends alot of his time looking after the Koopalings(Grandpa Kamek, lol) And Kamek appears to be more powerful than Kammy, I mean, the fact that he shows no physical signs of Aging, but I doubt he uses said Power during his fights. Well, look at SMG, he beats Mario in ONE hit, something no person has ever done(Minus Star Rod equiped Bowser), not to mention he didn't have a Power Star in his wand. He might be able to do this on some occasions, or maybe he just has extreme self-discipline. Also, what was he doing during BiS? How come he didn't stroll over to Fawful Theatre and crack some Skulls? That would actually make... An amazing game!
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 23, 2010 18:29:07 GMT -5
He didn't really beat Mario. I mean, not directly. He destroyed the ground under Mario, while they were almost in space.
And I guess SPP's Kamek is not Kamek (really, the game itself says it's only A Kamek) because Bowser didn't want him to be hurt, or thought a bigger soldier would do better.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 23, 2010 18:47:02 GMT -5
The whole "A Kamek" thing was caused by a mistranslation(In Japan Magikoopas are called "Kameku"... Right?), but your Theory still stands. Also the explosion was enough to knock Nario uncconscience, and he is still Immortal, at least biologically.
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Post by SMBBQ on Aug 23, 2010 19:06:09 GMT -5
I totally agree. Long live Nario!
Seriously, EpicGyllyn's right. Cyan-robed Kamek was the victim of a mistranslation. Plus,he's the only one not todie at the end of the battle.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 23, 2010 19:07:45 GMT -5
The explosion didn't knocked Mario out. The lack of oxygen did (they were basically in space). Kamek himself didn't really created an explosion, instead he simply made the bridge to break.
And, "a Kamek" is indeed a mistranslation. A local translation would rather be "a Magikoopa". So it's still not Kamek, but another Magikoopa. How'd Kamek grow giant, anyway ?
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