How does Bowser's army always lose?

[EpicGyllynn]

Or a Construction Site on the Outskirts of an Ever-Expanding City... Well, either way that doesn't mean it took place in Big Ape City(Which the games NEVER Stated).

[Artemendo]

Yeah, but you have to admit, Big City and Big Ape City are pretty similar. They even share the same style of buildings in the background of the stages.
EDIT: Here's a picture.

Note the buildings with the empty black windows. Strikingly similar!

[EpicGyllynn]

As is Mushroom City, but, Big Ape City is on DK Island, and they surely would have finished Construction by the ime Donkey Kong Land was released!

[Artemendo]

Uh, Mushroom City's architectural style is completely different, though! That's like comparing Moscow and Berlin!
I added a picture to my above post, I hope that illustrates better that those are REALLY similar and probably, but not conclusively, intended to be the same city.

[EpicGyllynn]

Big City:
www.mariowiki.com/images/7/70/DonkeyKong-Stage1%28BigCity%29.png

Big Ape City:
www.mariowiki.com/images/6/6c/BigApeCity.PNG

Mushroom City:
www.mariowiki.com/images/6/61/Mkddtrack10.jpg

And, assuming Moonview Highway is in Mushroom City, the Architecture isn't exactly the same, but it's not drastically Different, either! Besides, Architecture changes, and there are different Parts to each City! So it's not hard to Imagine that this is the same City!

[Artemendo]

The scarcity of big cities in Mario games makes you think they are the same, but it's not! There might be many of these! You wouldn't assume Diamond City is Mushroom City, right? Yet, by that logic, the architecture is similar enough! Also, note how Mushroom City's houses have different amounts of windows on different floors, which simply never appears in the Donkey Kong games.

[EpicGyllynn]

But Daimond City and Mushroom City are distinct in various other ways! And Big Ape City is populated by Kremlings. I'm just saying, Big City may have evolved into Mushroom City!

[Koopalmier]

The game officialy states Donkey Kong happened (or, going with the DK94 version, statrted) in Big Ape City. Well, in the manual at least. Nintendo Power also says that, and both cities look extremely similar.

[Artemendo]

Given a lot of time, maybe, but would anyone really call a city built on DK Island "Mushroom City"? That's a bit intrusive. There's no evidence of Toads/other Mushroom residents ever taking over DK Island, either. Also, Mushroom City is a friendly zone, but the Big (Ape) Cities are both hostile, just like any other environment on DK Island except for the Kongs' houses.

[EpicGyllynn]

I didn't mean Big City(Not Big APE City, just Big City!) became Mushroom City, I meant the Concept of an Information Age City gradually became Mushroom City(And in a more Obscure sense, Diamond City)! Basically what I'm Saying is This:
Mushroom City=Big City--In the Mushroom Kingdom--Populated by Toads
Big Ape City=Different City--On Donkey Kong Island--Populated by Kremlings
Diamond City=Different City--In the Jewelry Kingdom--Populated by Humans(And Bipedal Animals)

You see! Doesn't that make Sense? Even a Little?

[Artemendo]

In a metaphysical way, perhaps?

[EpicGyllynn]

Explain, Please?

[Artemendo]

That was just a polite way of me to say that it doesn't make sense... to me, at least. We have evidence Big City is Big Ape City, from manuals and guides as well as the design of the buildings, and Mushroom City can NOT be on DK Island. I would buy that Diamond City is one of the three, though.

[EpicGyllynn]

We have NO In-game Evidence they are the Same City, Though! The Construction Site in Big City would have been Completed by the Events of DKL! And besides, why would Mario be a Construction Worker on DK Isle, in a City mainly populated by Kremlings? It does NOT make near as much sense as, say, Donkey Kong escaping from a Zoo in Mushroom City!

[Artemendo]

See, this is why it would have been great if Yoshi's Island didn't mess up the good and plothole-free story of Mario and Luigi being from Brooklyn and then discovering the MK through a series of creatures who made their way into the real world.

[EpicGyllynn]

None of the Games ever said they where from Brooklyn! That Theory was Fanon, at best, and needed to be put Down, in my Opinion! Therefor YI didn't mess up the Story, it simply told it!

[Koopalmier]

Actually it WAS canon. Nintendo of America stated it. It's not like they were a bunch of Nintendo fans that made a group and called it "Nintendo of America". But since SMW2 we know the Japanese and American canons are different. And Mario is a Japanese product, so...

[EpicGyllynn]

Nintendo of America has no bearing on Canon whatsoever! The Manuals and Official Guides published through NoA can say that Mario is a Toad, and that wouldn't make it True! The Japanese made it, so everything in their Canon has bearing over ours!

[Koopalmier]

Fun fact: the Japanese website (made by teh original Nintendo, not by Nintendo "We didn't release Densetsu no Stafy games because they are too Japanese" of America) of Mario Kart: Double Dash!! states about Birdo "It appears to be Yoshi's girlfriend, but is actually his boyfriend!?". So not only does Yoshi have relations outside of his Yoshi friends and the Mario bros., but there's also a single Birdo character (that lives on Yoster Island maybe ?). oh and yoshi is homosexual olol

[EpicGyllynn]

Not really, Birdo is a Race, so it's possible that the Birdo from Double Dash is a Female, as opposed to the one from SMB2, which is a Male who thinks he's Female.