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Post by Artemendo on Aug 11, 2010 17:34:29 GMT -5
More specifically, how exactly does Doopliss's copying/name-taking work? Does the victim really lose the ability to pronounce their own name and the letter P? Why does Doopliss behave completely out-of-character as Mario, but very in-character as Zip Toad or Frankly?
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Post by shadowgoomba on Aug 11, 2010 20:00:30 GMT -5
I think he just steals their name to hide his real one. It's nothing physical, just what he likes to do.
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Post by SMBBQ on Aug 11, 2010 21:28:15 GMT -5
About the whole copying thing, he's a Duplighost. And (This is my thinking) it's possible that Duplighosts can rearrange their own atomsto resemble another person. Make sense?
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 12, 2010 0:38:20 GMT -5
But when Mario talks to Vivian after his name was stolen, her reaction is as if he is physically unable to pronounce his name. I don't think he just didn't tell her because he believe she's still one of the bad guys.
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Post by shadowgoomba on Aug 12, 2010 2:04:23 GMT -5
Actually, I think her being affiliated with the other side is exactly why Mario didn't tell her. Once she learns it's Mario, she ditches him. By not telling her his name, he was able to get her help. It's taking advantage of a bad situation.
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 12, 2010 2:36:19 GMT -5
So you basically think Mario lied? As far as I know, the only times Mario does immoral things like (trying to) lie or cheat is when the player has to choose responses for him, but lying out of his own accord? That's a bit harsh.
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Post by PDoogan on Aug 12, 2010 8:02:10 GMT -5
Hey if Doopliss could steal the letter P out of someone's vocabulary, I doubt stealing a name would be much harder.
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 12, 2010 8:29:13 GMT -5
Now, it's still questionable whether the letter P part has actually happened or is just an anti-cheat measure by Nintendo so you can't guess right before backtracking 4 times. Darn that backtracking.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 12, 2010 9:17:09 GMT -5
So you basically think Mario lied? As far as I know, the only times Mario does immoral things like (trying to) lie or cheat is when the player has to choose responses for him, but lying out of his own accord? That's a bit harsh. He did the same thing in M&L3, where he faked to be sick so that he'd be able to see Dr Toadley. |
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 12, 2010 9:26:53 GMT -5
OK, yes, but that strikes me as some sort of white lie, first, the assistant obviously was incompetent or else she would have let them through, and second, there were no other patients with a higher priority in the line. This is much less severe than not telling your enemy who you are in order to exploit them.
Also, there's the thing with Luigi dressing up as Peach to save people, which is at least heroic. What I mean is Mario lying about not being able to say his name would not be... good. In any way.
Addendum: If we assume Mario lied, we're breaking his good image just because we refuse to believe Doopliss can actually take away someone's name, but there is nothing in the game to disprove that his magic is capable of doing that. So why make Mario into a villain just because we're doubting Doopliss's power? This seems like too much assumptions to me.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 12, 2010 10:13:21 GMT -5
I don't say that Doopliss didn't took his name, only that Mario may have still be able to say his own name but he didn't wanted to tell it to Vivian because she's of the villains' side, and Mario doesn't know she's nice actually.
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Post by shadowgoomba on Aug 12, 2010 10:47:01 GMT -5
Mario never lied, actually. He told the truth, actually. If someone steals your friends, your appearance, your life, and everything else, then the name kind of goes along with that. Mario could have said that he once was Mario, but why would he want to, if it meant enlisting Vivian's help?
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 12, 2010 10:52:56 GMT -5
Ha, so I guess the prevalent opinion in here is that Doopliss does not have the power to actually physically prevent Mario from saying his own name, which I kind of took for granted. Well, it's nice to see another perspective, too!
Seriously, I love this forum. It's taught me a lot in the few days I've been here already! It's amazing!
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 12, 2010 16:18:28 GMT -5
Mario never lied, actually. He told the truth, actually. If someone steals your friends, your appearance, your life, and everything else, then the name kind of goes along with that. Mario could have said that he once was Mario, but why would he want to, if it meant enlisting Vivian's help? I mean, it's true he can't really say he's Mario, but it's not like he's not physically allowed to say the name "Mario". He simply didn't told Vivian he was Mario because she wouldn't help him then, or even attack him (or at least that's what Mario thought, considering the only thing he knew about her was that she was on the villains' side). Sorry if I explain badly. And, Artemendo, what did this forum "taught" you ? |
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Post by shadowgoomba on Aug 12, 2010 16:20:36 GMT -5
I mean, it's true he can't really say he's Mario, but it's not like he's not physically allowed to say the name "Mario". He simply didn't told Vivian he was Mario because she wouldn't help him then, or even attack him (or at least that's what Mario thought, considering the only thing he knew about her was that she was on the villains' side). Sorry if I explain badly. Yeah, that's pretty much what I said. |
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Post by kingkoopa on Aug 12, 2010 16:29:29 GMT -5
I don't know about Mario lying about who he was, I think that when his identity was stolen, he "forgot" who he was, and only knew that he had to get his life back.
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 12, 2010 16:35:26 GMT -5
And, Artemendo, what did this forum "taught" you ? The true value of friendship! No, really, I've seen some info here I wouldn't have given a second thought after playing the game. It really gives me some new perspective. I hope I'm not annoying you guys by posting so much. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 12, 2010 16:40:48 GMT -5
I don't know about Mario lying about who he was, I think that when his identity was stolen, he "forgot" who he was, and only knew that he had to get his life back. He did explain his backstory to Vivian though. Artemendo : You are too annoying. Go away and never come back. Bwahaha. Bwahaha. Bwaha. Ha. ... j/k |
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 12, 2010 16:43:45 GMT -5
 Really, it's the first Mario forum I see that has some intelligent discourse going on without spam and "lol" posts and "failboat sunk" inside jokes. I want to be part of it! So please, if I'm doing anything wrong, tell me!
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Post by PDoogan on Aug 12, 2010 19:33:28 GMT -5
Yeah I guess trolls find this site too boring to waste their time with  |
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