Doopliss

[Le Mario Bro]

*expansive sigh*

Don't close up shop just yet, Artemendo... We got a late night shopper...

*switches back Open/Closed sign*

[Artemendo]

OK, it's open again! "Duplighosts - real ghosts?" is our topic. The name certainly would suggest that! As would the fact they're basically white sheets, which many fictional ghosts are portrayed as.

Also, people, it's Artemendo. It's got four syllables!

[Le Mario Bro]

Yeah, sorry 'bout that.

Words me easily confuse with more 3 syllables than.
Know what, I'll just call you "Art." Howzzat sound?

I guess it is arguable that Duplighosts could, in fact, be real ghosts, even when taking my "Purple Smoke" theory into consideration. You could always make the argument that the Purple Smoke might actually gaseous, sentinent ectoplasm.

However, I still believe that Duplighosts are somewhat related to Game-&-Watches (which are composed of shadow bugs) rather than ghosts.

[Le Mario Bro]

Sure thing, Artem.

[Artemendo]

I advise people to still call me by my nickname, though. It's the point of the Internet to have nicknames!

[Le Mario Bro]

*bangs head on desk*

There is no pleasing you internet folk, is there? j/k

By the way, Doopliss. Just FYI.

[Koopalmier]

I feel like calling you Arte. %D

Anyway, I think Duplighots are more like deamons or monsters (or "yôkais" in Japanese folklore, for teh lulz), much like Boos and possibly Shy Guys. They do have "ghost" in their name but in the Mario series "ghost" doesn't always refer to the spirit of a dead person, considering Boos are called ghosts yet may have never lived to start with.
Oh, and Doopliss feels insulted when he's called a ghost.

[Artemendo]

"Arte" is cool too. Just not "Art". I am not that artsy.

Boos are supposed to be dead people in Paper Mario, but simply random floating semi-transparent thingies in the main series, I think. Also, as I said in www.waluigious.com/2007/09/in-which-i-am-confused-about-ghosts.html , I am confused about ghosts.

[Koopalmier]

Arte is the name of a German and French channel, you know.

Boos can't be dead people if they never were alive to start with. Although the Boo that helped the ancient heroes in PM2 is said to have been working with the monsters in the English version, I'm completely positive that in my seriously-translated-from-Japanese French version the Boo is said to be one of the monsters. Also one of the Boo bunnies in the same game says that she's 18, and Bootley says he's been watching over Bow since she's born, and that it's his role given by Bow's apparently dead parents - if her parents died, wouldn't they have become Boos then ? Except if they WERE Boos... In Luigi's Mansion, you can see quite well that the portrait ghosts ARE actual ghosts, but if Boos were actual ghosts they would also have a "heart" and backstory. And, finally, Boos can be physically hurt.

[Artemendo]

Aug 15, 2010 16:54:28 GMT -5 Koopalmier said:

Arte is the name of a German and French channel, you know.

No duh, I only live in Germany! Of course I know. I don't watch TV much, though... they do (or did?) have cool "what's coming up" music, I remember.

And those reasons you just listed are why I think there are different kinds of Boos. Probably just like mechanical and sentient Bob-Ombs, there are "dead spirit" Boos and "ghostly consciousness" Boos.

[Koopalmier]

Due to the Underwhere basically disproving that Boos are literraly ghosts, and the only time Boos were said to be "living" before was in Paper Mario (where ONE Boo was said to be "alive" before), well... You see, since Luigi's Mansion "ghost" Boos disappeared and "species" Boo appeared, so it's safe to assume Nintendo decided that they weren't dead people anymore but instead a species different of ghosts.

Now I'm away for an hour, I'll go to eat.

[SMBBQ]

Whatever. You guys do what you want, I'll always follow they're spirits of some sort.

[Koopalmier]

They ARE spirits. But spirits don't always come from dead people, they can just be bodyless beings. So we're debating if Boos are ghosts (spirits from dead people) or simply their own species.

[Artemendo]

Anyway, I think we strayed too far from the topic of Doopliss. Next question - why did he keep that parrot? He never played with him, just held him prisoner, not as a pet. Why not kill him? Or, you know, turn him into a pig so he doesn't talk? The pig curse didn't "go away" when Mario beat Doopliss the first time - Doopliss just decided to drop it for the townspeople so he could go with the idea of Mario being a hero. The parrot still could be a pig.

[shadowgoomba]

I think there's more to the parrot than meets the eye. He might be tied into Doopliss's abilities and he wouldn't be able to get rid of him.

[Artemendo]

Well, it could certainly be a parrot with some magic. But then again, the key to his room was inside the room, and still he never fled! That's mighty stupid. Again, there might be a dark reason behind all of this.

Oh, and to my earlier point about Doopliss better off escaping: in the original tale on which he is based, Rumpelstiltskin, the eponymous dwarf, after the queen says his name, "ran away angrily and never came back". It would have been pretty idiotic for him to stay around and try to kill the queen.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

Of course the parrot didn't use the key to escape the room,
he has a bird brain after all. (no offense to crows >.>)

[Le Mario Bro]

And no thumbs. That's kind of a big thing.

Also: Hey. I'M the one that cracks bad puns here! I can't be as punny when I got competition!

*insert rimshot here*

[Artemendo]

A bird that can talk in completely grammatically correct language should surely be smart enough to be able to turn the key with his talons. Also, the keys in the Mario universe are so gigantic he could probably just lean against it to turn it.

[Vent]

Maybe he didn't feel like leaving since he finally had a moment to himself without Doopliss around. I'd be pretty annoyed if Doopliss were my owner.