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Post by kingkoopa on Jul 27, 2010 21:14:55 GMT -5
Anyway, back on topic I just though of something. You know how it doesn't make sense for some characters to be in Smash Bros games while other characters in the series are there or they just aren't supposed to be there. Well what if the portals to the World of Trophies appeared at different points in time in the universe. That explains Toon Link and Link being there at the exact same time, Porky not being in the Perfectly Safe Capsule, and Ness and Lucas being there at the exact same time.
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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Jul 28, 2010 2:45:44 GMT -5
But if the fighters are merely replicas of the real thing, then there really doesn't need to be any explanation for why some characters are replicas of the same character but from different times or why characters from different times can exist in the same place. In other words, if there is one replica of a character, why can't there be more? I guess that also kind of explains why 4 people can all play the same character.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jul 28, 2010 3:10:00 GMT -5
Nice theory KK, but I'd say that Ness and Lucas probably got there accidentally with their PK Powers(Watch the Melee Opening Cutscene), and when they learned how to use them, Travel between Worlds became an common thing to them! As for Porky, I'd say that Master Hand(Tabuu) summoned him to the World of Trophies sometime before he(Porky) was put in the Capsule! Although, I have a hard time accepting Wolf or Toon Link(Or Jigglypuff, for that matter!) as being Canon, mainly because they have no bearing on the Story. Plus, Toon Link couldn't have the Master Sword unless the Tournament took place during The Wind Waker, unless it's the Phantom Blade(Can't remember what it's really Called), but if I recall it was tMS! As for Fire Emblem, I'd say Marth was in his own Castle when he was warped to tWoT, and when he returned, no Time had passed so no one Knew he had gone! A similar thing probably happened to Ike! Well, thats all I got for Now!
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Post by Koopalmier on Jul 28, 2010 4:02:16 GMT -5
I like your ideas, EpicGyllynn. But the SSBM intro shows the move PK Teleport.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jul 28, 2010 14:11:33 GMT -5
I know, I watched an LP of EarthBound, but the same rules could be applied. Also, Thanks! Also, I thought EarthBound took place in EagleLand(Which s obviously a reference to America), so wouldn't that make it set in a different World.
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Post by Koopalmier on Jul 28, 2010 14:35:47 GMT -5
Eagleland may just be a way to refer to America in a cartoonish way. Don't forget MOTHER 1 (EarthBound Zero) took place in America, yet the 3 games in the series are on the same planet. So... Yeah, I think the names given to the continents in EarthBound are "second names" (much like with Isle Delfino, that is called (in the original, Japanese continuity) Dolphic Island on text but Isle Delfino on cinematic). Or simply made-up names.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jul 28, 2010 14:45:42 GMT -5
Yeah, after researching on EarthBound Wiki, I can see you're right. My theory on the Realms is that each game takes place on the same Planet in a different Realm(So ME is Earth, only in MV), and a lot of them happen to be similar to Earth but not the same(EarthBound has different Cities), and plus, EagleLand's Geography is slightly different then our World, and there is some place called FroggyLand(Not sure about this one, Though)!
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Post by Koopalmier on Jul 28, 2010 15:00:46 GMT -5
WAIT WAIT WAIT SLOW DOWN SLOW DO----WN
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Mario's planet is definitely not an alternate version of Earth. Different solar systems, different galaxies, maybe different galaxy clusters. Both are definitely different planets, no matter if they're in the same "real" or not.
For now, the only "set-on-Earth" series that somewhat contradicts others is the POKéMON series, and even then it is possible POKéMONs are not everywhere on the planet (but the games and anime tend to contradict that, so the POKéMON series may really be set in an alternate version of Earth, but it's still possible that the WarioWare, Pikmin, Kirby, MOTHER and F-Zero series show the same Earth (I mean, in the same realm).
As for EagleLand's geography, we must remember it's fictional, thus they can add unexisting cities, unrealistic-ish elements and fictional characters.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jul 28, 2010 17:34:20 GMT -5
Here's a List of Realms off the top of my Head:
-Mushroom Universe(Super Mario, Wario Land/WarioWare, DK, Yoshi, and Starfy Series)
-Hyrule(Legend of Zelda Series)
-EarthBound Universe(EarthBound/Mother Series)
-PikMin Universe(PikMin Series)
-Dream Land(Kirby Series)
-Protectorate(Dragon Quest IX)
-Angel Land(Kid Icarus Series, possibly linked with Glory of Heracles)
-Post Apocalyptic World(Sin and Punishment, and Mach Rider Series)
Well, thats all I got. Any Theories?
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Post by kingkoopa on Jul 28, 2010 17:41:11 GMT -5
You forgot the F-Zero World and Star Fox World which seem to be very closely linked. And don't forget about the Pokemon World
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jul 28, 2010 17:49:34 GMT -5
Darn It! I went to go pick-up some food and when I got back I thought I had already put those in! Curse my Negligence! Oh well, I wouldn't go so far as to say Star Fox and F-Zero happened in the same Realm, but they are definitely side-by-side!
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Post by kingkoopa on Jul 28, 2010 18:22:06 GMT -5
If anything those two realms are connected. They aren't the same one but both games keep giving distinct references to the other series
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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Jul 28, 2010 19:33:34 GMT -5
Isn't Fox McCloud's dad one of the racers in F-Zero? And I think he also wears the same outfit.  I think that its a pretty safe bet that the Pikmin series happens on earth, possibly in the near future, because of all the brand name stuff lying around. And apparently, the same earth and the mushroom realm are indeed separate worlds but they are connected to each other by some kind of dimensional warp pipe according to SMB. |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jul 28, 2010 20:15:39 GMT -5
Actually, none of the Games ever supported the "Mario is from Brooklyn" Theory. But I won't deny the possibility that there is a connection between the two Realms! And, there is a Racer in F-Zero called James McCloud(The name of Fox's Father), who even wears the same clothes as him! But James McCloud(F-Zero) is a Human, while Fox's Father is a.. uh.. Fox.
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Post by kingkoopa on Jul 28, 2010 21:18:23 GMT -5
Also in one of the Star Fox Command endings Fox and Falco start the G-Zero Grand Prix, which is an obvious pun on F-Zero
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Post by PDoogan on Jul 28, 2010 21:57:04 GMT -5
I think that its a pretty safe bet that the Pikmin series happens on earth, possibly in the near future, because of all the brand name stuff lying around. Aren't there pikmin in the grass in Toadstool Tour? |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jul 28, 2010 22:10:03 GMT -5
I don't think Pikmin happened on Earth, I think it took place on some unnamed Planet, where everything is huge! But, I suppose it's possible that it happened in Giant Land, but I'm not sure about! I really don't even think the game took place in the real Universe, it probably has it's own unique setting!
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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Jul 29, 2010 1:04:02 GMT -5
Ya there were pikmin in the grass in TT. Maybe they got there the same way Mario got there? I think the Pikmin games happen on earth though. I read somewhere that Pikmin 1 was based off of Shigeru Miyamoto's backyard. Plus, I can't really think of any good explanation for why there would be earth stuff all over the place, short of alternate dimension where people create the exact same brand names, it's possible, but I don't see any reason to believe it.  Isn't that what's stated in the SMB manual?? And if you count the game Donky Kong, doesn't that game take place in Brooklyn? Maybe Mario wasn't born there, but it sure seems like he was there at some point in time. Fox's Father was a fox. No one knows what happened to him though, maybe he some how ended up getting turned into a human?! Or maybe fox's mom is an actual fox, and James just likes to wear a fox hood sometimes because he likes foxes ... and..... >.> that would explain why fox is half human? >.> <.< |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jul 29, 2010 2:25:54 GMT -5
I don't recall, but even so, the manuals Canonicity is arguable! As for the games, Mario Bros. was based on the New York City Sewer System, but thats a long shot from being set there! So my original statement stands true, "None of the Games Support the Brooklyn theory"!
I said that he was a Fox, but, I didn't mean to Imply the F-Zero and Star Fox James' where the same. They are Definitely two Different Characters! Interesting Theory, though!
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Post by Koopalmier on Jul 29, 2010 5:41:09 GMT -5
... Why'd everything be in a separate realm anyway ? They don't contradict each other, they can very well be in the same world but at different times.
Series like Sin & Punishment shouldn't be really considered as being part of the Nintendo universe for now. They're not close enough.
My theory on different dimensions:
- Dimension A (mostly all Nintendo series)
- Dimension B (similar to A, but Earth is somewhat different because it was created by Arceus)
- Dimension C (SPM's Chapter 7, also Kid Icarus series - what do you think the planet you see is ?)
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