The Nintendo canon - All series in same universe!

[SMBBQ]

Wario appeared in the Japan-only Densetsu no Stafy 3, where he helped the player through World 8 by using his moves fromthe Wario Land series

[EpicGyllynn]

I think that Starfy probably takes place in the Oceans of ME. This would support that Theory. I personally think most Nintendo Games take place in their own respective Realms that are linked in a set way, for example, the Mushroom World and Hyrule may be right next to each other, while the Lylat System is farther off! It's hard to explain, so just Imagint the Kingdom Hearts Map, but with the Nintendo Universes. People travel between Realms various ways; Wormholes are the most Common(As they are in every Realm), but more commonly used forms would Include: Warp Pipes, the Lost Woods and even Artificial "Gateways", among many others! If my Theory is correct: Should the Dragon Quest IX Realm be apart of the Nintendo Canon? It fits the rest of the games well and would make a great addition to SSB. In my next post I'll discuss conflicting Religions in the Multiverse!

[SMBBQ]

Sounds good. I do like the idea that most Universes are together.

[EpicGyllynn]

I don't believe that SSB64 is Canon and SSBM is debatable, but the Subspace Emmisary and following Tournament were without a doubt, Canon! I also think Link and Samus' appearance in SMRPG was Canon, it would have happened sometime after Majora's Mask when Link was going through the Lost Woods and ended up in the Forest Maze, but, Samus is a little more difficult to place.

[Koopalmier]

*cough, cough*

First, why are you saying every Nintendo series is in a different realm ?

Then, how could SSBB be canon if there's Master Hand, if DK doesn't live on an island anymore, if Yoshi doesn't know Mario, if Ness and Lucas are here at the same time, if Porky is not in the Perfectly Safe Capsule, if Link and Toon Link are here at the same time, if Ganondorf is alive, if Kirby and DeDeDe aren't on Pop Star anymoren if- well, you got it, the Subspace Emissary is in the mind of the kid playing with its toys.

Additionally, it is a possibility that Hyrule is on the MW but then something would be wrong. On the MW the strong forces who control the planet are stars. On the planet of Hyrule, there's no mention of stars at all.

Samus' appearance in SMRPG could've been canon if Link's appearance was canon too.

My thought (actually I'm sure of it): the Mario series (but the games showing Earth, babies characters, clone characters or unlikely characters) is set on the Mushroom World. The Wario series (but the WarioWare sub-series) is set on the MW. The DK series (but the King of Swing/Jungle Climber games) is set on the MW. The Yoshi series is set on the MW. The Starfy series is set on the MW. Diddy Kong Racing is not canon (Banjo ? Conker ?).

[SMBBQ]

Hold up sec, K? How can DKR, a spectacular game I enjoyed more than MK64, not be canon? Why not just say Diddy jumped through a warp pipe to get to Timber's Island?

[EpicGyllynn]

First off, Koopalmier, when did I ever say, just once in my theory that Master Hand does not exist? Or when did I say DK does not live on his Island before? The answer is Never! Most characters came to the World of Trophies to compete in a Tournament! Link, along with most of the Characters(Lucas, Ness, Ike and various others), while DK was lured in when chasing Bowser, who stole his Bananas! Same thing with Samus, her Power Suit was stolen, and she had to go to a strange new Realm(The World of Trophies) to get it back! Also, I agree with you that DKR MAY, just MAY not be Canon, though I won't completely disregard! I've been wrong, before!

[Koopalmier]

Jul 26, 2010 10:34:05 GMT -5 SMBBQ said:

Hold up sec, K? How can DKR, a spectacular game I enjoyed more than MK64, not be canon? Why not just say Diddy jumped through a warp pipe to get to Timber's Island?

Banjo and Conker are now part of the Microsoft universe. The Nintendo universe and the Microsoft universe are definitely different, otherwise it'd be a real messup due to countersayings and stuff.


The World of Trophies happens to be the kid's imagination (the kid being, as you know it, representing himself in that universe as Master Hand) so Samus, DK or Link actually going there is nonsense. Also, what about series like MOTHER or Kirby, that are countersaid by the Subspace Emissary ? In case you forgot it, Ness and Lucas are both on Earth but Ness' game, MOTHER 2, happens in the 90's while Lucas' game, MOTHER 3, happens - after - the humanity destroyed itself and Earth was frozen. And Porky is supposed to be in the Perfectly Safe Capsule.

Also DeDeDe's castle being on the same planet as Ness', Mario's, Link's and Red's is... pure... nonsense.

[kingkoopa]

The SSB games aren't canon but the trophy descriptions are at least. (Except for the whole Captain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother). You can clearly see at the beginning of Smash Bros 64 that Master Hand owns all of the characters and only brought them to life when he was playing with them. The only way the games could be canon is if the toys came to life with the essence of the person they were supposed to be when Master Hand and Crazy Hand weren't playing with them.

[EpicGyllynn]

I said the first two games where not Canon, while the Subspace Emmisary story IS Canon! Master Hand is NOT a kid playing with Toys, he even appears in a Kirby DS Game! Master Hand, Crazy and the Ancients where the only beings who inhabbited the World of Trophies, until other Characters found the World! Master Hand, delighted by their arrival decided to hold a Tournament! Pitting the Realms greatest Warriors against eachother! Then Tabuu happened. Tabuu took Control of the Ancients and eventually Master Hand himself! In a plot to defeat all of the Greatest Warriors in One, Fatal Strike, leaving noone to stand between him, and conquering All the Realms! In the Child side of the Zellda Timeline(See: LoZ Split-Timeline Theory), after Link grows up, he has a strange feeling that something terrible is about to happen, he ventures into the Lost Woods and reclaims the Master Sword. On his way put, though he becomes Lost(Or was steered off Course) and finds himself on a Forest Path that he can't say he's seen Before and.. well.. You know the Rest! Master Hand(Or rather Tabuu) makes deals with the Greatest Villains in the Multiverse(Bowser, Ganondorf, Ridley, Porky, King Dedede, etc.). In the end, Tabuu reveals himself and betrays his Minons(Who would have posed a Threat had he let them Remain), and is eventually

[EpicGyllynn]

Sorry for not completing my Post, I'm on phone. I'll finish when I get back Home!

[Koopalmier]

But then it'd mean every Nintendo series is in a different universe. ;_;

And Bowser and DDD are hardly the greatest villains in the "multiverse" - heck, they're hardly evil at all. Also, I repeat again, Porky is in the PERFECTLY SAFE CAPSULE, which means he's completely isolated from the outside world and can't get out of there.

Also, Master Hand and Crazy Hand do appear in a Kirby game but in the Mirror World, which is an alternate dimension, plus it was more of a cameo than anything else considering Kirby would get his Melee moveset by eating them and Melee wasn't out yet (in other words, it was to promote SSBM).

[EpicGyllynn]

I'm sorry I've never got the chance to play the Earthbound/Mother games, so I may need to do a bit of studying before I can speak on them. No more than a year ago I was bent on proving that all of the Nintendo games(Albiet ones set in the Real World) happened in the same Universe but there where too many factors, too many Religions but all of them right! Also, not every Realm consist of a Universe, think Mortal Kombat! Does every Realm in MK have it's own Universe? No. Of course, Earthrealm does, but the NetherRealm nor OutWorld have their own Universes! Haven't played MK, then think Kingdom Hearts! Are all of the Realms connected in a set order? Yes. Is travell between them common? Yes. Does each have their own Universe? No. Now, relations between Hyrule and tMK must be fairly good, as both Princess's are sharing a booth in the Stadium, during the Mario-Kirby fight. Actually, I suppose it's possible that some are set on different Planets in the same Universe-- Nah!

[SMBBQ]

How 'bout I sum up the MOTHER series for you.

MOTHER-1980s kids save the world from invading aliens
MOTHER 2 (EarthBound)- 1990s kids fight the second invasion
MOTHER 3- In a post-apocalyptic world, humans live peacefully until Porky Minch (enemy from EarthBound) comes to the future and corrupts the people with technology and money, leading to a great battle of Nature vs Technology.

How's that for you?

[PDoogan]

If I recall correctly form the official Brawl website, it states somewhere that the fighters are trophies that merely live to fight. I don't know is that means its in the same level of the first 2 SSBs but they're defiantly not the real characters.

This doesn't mean that all the Nintendo series don 't take place in the same universe, just that that game in particular isn't vary realistic.

p.s: I'll try to find that quote for you.

[PDoogan]

Found it

www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea01.html

[pseudodino]

Right, kingkoopa! That's a great theory. SMG2's plot is similar because it's just a re-boot.

[EpicGyllynn]

Jul 27, 2010 12:03:59 GMT -5 pseudodino said:

Right, kingkoopa! That's a great theory. SMG2's plot is similar because it's just a re-boot.

Isn't that what we've been Discussing for like two pages?

[kingkoopa]

Jul 27, 2010 12:03:59 GMT -5 pseudodino said:

Right, kingkoopa! That's a great theory. SMG2's plot is similar because it's just a re-boot.

Always check if there is a second page before replying to the last post on the page that you are reading.

[EpicGyllynn]

But PsuedoDinos post was on the Second page, and the discussion carried over to this page. I knew where your post was.