The Pit Of 100 Trials

[Rex]

What I want to know is witch enemies were put in there by the shadow queen(meaning they have been around for over 1000 years) and witch just wandered down there accidentally. The ones on the earlier floors(like gloombas) most likely got there from the sewers, but the ones on the later floors that are not found anywhere else(like wizzerds) were most likely put there by the shadow queen.

P.S. What the heck are bombshell bills doing in the palace of shadow?!?!?

[Toomai]

That first Pit could have been a part of the Palace of Shadow at some point, making it easy to stick anything there. As for SPM...well I don't have an answer for that.

[PDoogan]

mabye it was sort of a prison for dangerous monsters that was over 1000 years old. So when the Shadow Queens minions were still running loose on the surface, people captured some of them and trapped them in there in an effort to protact their city.

Also, why can bombshell bills be in the palace of shadows? Bullet bill may be an old technology.

[Rex]

Are bob-ulks old technology? They are near the very bottom of the pit.

P.S. The pit was originally a torture chamber.

[shadowgoomba]

How do creatures in the pit survive with extremely limited food resources? (And sunlight in the case of Pirahna Plants)

[Meta Black Yoshi]

Piranah plants are adapted to live with low or no sunlight, the way they do it is by getting nurishment from prey items rather than sunlight. I guess the creatures could be feeding off of eachother, there could also be some king of underground fungus. The soil could be nutreint rich from dead organisms and slowly seeping all the way the bottom. The piranah plants could be part of a larger plant.

[shadowgoomba]

How would the underground fungus get its nourishment then? And why would a large Pirahna Plant dig down there? There is so little light that if a Pirahna Plant could survive without it, it wouldn't biologically be a plant. Also, the nutrients remaining would be so scarce that it wouldn't do much and if they fed off each other in a very small room, there would kill each other off within an hour.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

shadowgoomba said:

How would the underground fungus get its nourishment then? And why would a large Pirahna Plant dig down there? There is so little light that if a Pirahna Plant could survive without it, it wouldn't biologically be a plant. Also, the nutrients remaining would be so scarce that it wouldn't do much and if they fed off each other in a very small room, there would kill each other off within an hour.

Fungus get nurishment from the nutrient rich soil I was talking about, full of dead material that has seeped down alittle more every time it rained. The piranah plants subsitute sunlight with meat. A piranah plant might dig down there for more food. Theres more than one room so maybe they change rooms sometimes while were not looking. Since that place is like near were that catastrophy thing happened and at deapth maybe that has someting to do with the nutreind rich soil.

[shadowgoomba]

Like I said, the lower levels are VERY deep and would not get any nutrients. All of the nutrients would stop flowing long before they got to that point. And if they can swap levels at will, why can't Mario? And it would do them little good anyway as there are creatures on the other levels as well. I understand where a Pirahna Plant gets its nutrients, but if it doesn't do at least some photosynthesis then it's not a plant. With so little food, why would a Pirahna Plant dig down there, especially considering how deep it is? And what about the Movers and Charlieton? They're all by themselves. And even if they ate each other, it wouldn't be enough to survive off of.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

shadowgoomba said:

Like I said, the lower levels are VERY deep and would not get any nutrients. All of the nutrients would stop flowing long before they got to that point. And if they can swap levels at will, why can't Mario? And it would do them little good anyway as there are creatures on the other levels as well. I understand where a Pirahna Plant gets its nutrients, but if it doesn't do at least some photosynthesis then it's not a plant. With so little food, why would a Pirahna Plant dig down there, especially considering how deep it is? And what about the Movers and Charlieton? They're all by themselves. And even if they ate each other, it wouldn't be enough to survive off of.

Mario can move through the levels....but only down. That's also how nutrents and or other creatures get to lower levels but instead of coming back up they get eaten by the stronger monsters. That's why the strongest of the monsters are near the bottom. I also think that there might be another pipe like the one Mario uses to enter that is in a different location. Plants don't have to photosynthisize to be plants. And if the plants down there were part of a larger system, they could be photosynthesizing at another area, wich, if it had little food there, could dig down in to the pit for food. Charlieton just went down there to sell stuff to despirate travelers. He probably packed enue stuff to make sure that he himself would be ok. And he obviously dosn't stay there all the time. I'm not really sure about the movers, except I think that they seem to know more about the pipes and can probably move around the areas easier.

[shadowgoomba]

The rooms are very small, so there would be no room for other pipes. If a plant doesn't have to do photosynthesis then what defines a plant? The Venus Fly Trap still gets most of its nourishment through photosynthesis. Mario cannot move through the levels unless he beats the monsters, so why would they be any different? Remember that very few people have been in the Pit of 100 Trials and even fewer have made it to deep levels like the ones Pirahna Plants are at. This would not be enough for a large Pirahna Plant to even consider, as it would take far too much energy to little benefit. As you get deeper, rocks become more solid, and water, let alone nutrients could not reach that far. The pit is the worst place to look for food, especially considering the ruins and city are in the way. If a creature of that size needs food so bad, it wouldn't live there in the first place. Why do the Movers want money? And is Charlieton an adept fighter all of a sudden?

[Toomai]

We don't know anything about the area around the Pit. For all we know, there could be a large cavern next door, where there's enough nourishment to sustain the creatures. Such caverns may have things like fireflies or Lantern Ghosts, which would supply light for Piranha Plants. They could probably hear Mario creeping around in the Pit and go to investigate.

[shadowgoomba]

How would those caverns get nourishment? Why can't Mario investigate these caverns? I think the design is pretty clear, just a small, square room after another, with the exception every tenth level, where no enemies except Bonetail are.
Second thought: Maybe the Lantern Ghosts do exist... staying underneath to cultivate fungi that they feed off of. In return, the fungi feed off the Lantern Ghosts' rotting corpses and waste matter in order to survive. Piranha Plants dig under the wall, find the room, the Lantern Ghost shines their light to identify them, and they photosynthesize that way.

[PDoogan]

It just dawned on me today, that if the structure is called "the pit of 100 trials", it must have been made for just that reason: to test the strenth and courage of anyone who entered. This means thaat probably someone is volenterily takeing care of all the monsters in the pit. (except for bonetail, he's dead. )

[shadowgoomba]

So then that person teleports to different levels to feed the creatures? Makes sense...except who would do that? The Shadow Queen was asleep for a thousand years and the Shadow Sirens were preoccupied with other business.

[Rex]

No no no, it's just the opposite. The pit was a torture chamber, the shadow queen put the monsters in so they would feed on her victims.

[shadowgoomba]

Why do you say this? And it doesn't explain how the creatures could stay alive, as the Shadow Queen wouldn't continue to have victims after she was asleep.

[Rex]

I don't really have an answer for how they stayed alive. Maybe they fed on unlucky adventurers that were lured down there by rumors of powerfull badges.

[Yoshi Master]

Couldn't the enemies just wander into the pit by accident?

[shadowgoomba]

No, because there's a pretty consistent enemy flow in the Pit. There would only be a couple if it was an accident, not to mention the Pit's in a pretty remote place.