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Post by Claws on Feb 23, 2005 13:17:03 GMT -5
How many castles do Peach and the royal family have? I think their chief castle is the one outside of Toad Town (the one shown in SM64 and PM). Another important one is the one shown in SMRPG.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Feb 23, 2005 16:06:53 GMT -5
Ah, a topic I have always wondered about myself. I've noticed three different castles that Peach has used throughout the games. The most popularly recognized is the castle from Super Mario 64/64 DS, which has also been used in the Paper Mario games, Mario Kart 64, Mario Golf 64, Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, and what I believe is a variation of it in Mario Kart: Double Dash!!. The second, as mentioned before by Claws, is a more victorian style castle used in Super Mario RPG and never seen again. The third castle I had mentioned was used in Mario&Luigi: Superstar Saga, which had a much rounder look to it and sported what I assume to be a variation of the Mushroom Kingdom emblem (the outline of a goomba). It has often been speculated that the first two castles are indeed two seperate buildings in two seperate locations as opposed to being different variations of the same building. Much like Claws stated above, most people theorize that one castle serves a type of "capitol" building and holds sway over the others, whereas the other two are less important. It is generally recognized that the castle from Super Mario 64 is the capitol castle, since it has been featured the most often. I have heard some theories, however, stating that the castle from SMRPG is more important because of the fact that the architecture of the town is so different (i.e. as opposed to living in mushroom huts, the more wealthy toads live in actual houses).
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Feb 28, 2005 18:53:00 GMT -5
JUst tossing ideas here...
While Princess peach may LIVE in the 64 castle, I beleive the true capital castle is the one in SMRPG. For 4 reasons.
1, The chancellor, obviously the true Ruler of MK, inhabits the SMRPG castle and Not Peach's castle.
2: Peach's quarters in SMRPG are rather cramped and Uniform for her to live there perminantly, implying that it's like a guest room or the like.
3: the SM64 castle is referred to as "Peach's castle, while the SMRPG is only referred to as "The castle. Important distinction.
4: Security seemed to hieghtened during the time that Peach is in the SMRPG castle; gaurds are everywhere. Though these inept and somewhat pacifistic fungi were incapable of fending off the shyster attack.
I haven't played M&L:SS,, so I can't make any true distinction between the 64 castle and the SS castle.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Feb 28, 2005 19:02:51 GMT -5
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Mar 1, 2005 0:41:43 GMT -5
I dunno... It seems to me that t's the 64 castle, only a little more cartoony and with some redecorating. You'll notice, we haven't seen the castle since SS. So it may well be simple refurbishing.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 1, 2005 0:51:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. I forgot to mention above that I view the SS castle and the 64 castle as one and the same.
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Post by Claws on Mar 1, 2005 19:46:58 GMT -5
I agree. So I guess we've concluded they have two main castles. And I guess it is more likely that the SMRPG castle is the capitol castle, since it seems to have tighter security, an older and more dignified look, and the quarters of the Chancellor (who I hadn't--until now--considered the ruler of the Kingdom, but it does make more sense). What is Peach's Castle, then? And Toad Town--does it hold any significance?
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 1, 2005 21:20:31 GMT -5
It's been theorized that the Princess is more of a figure-head and that the Chancellor is the real power behind the throne. In a traditional monarchy the Chancellor would assume power should anything happen to the King/Queen, or even if they simply took leave for a short time. It's pretty much been proven by now that the King of the Mushroom Kingdom is gone, despite being mentioned in the manual for the original game. Whether he is dead or not is still up for speculation.
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Post by Yoshi Master on May 3, 2005 14:19:11 GMT -5
I havn't played RPG but isn't the whole island area seperate from everywhere else?
Could the RPG island really be the setting of the Mushroom Kingdom?
It would contridict the map in Paper Mario and the Mushroom Kingdom would seem to on a continent not island.
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Post by Claws on May 10, 2005 18:18:44 GMT -5
What do you mean?
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Post by Yoshi Master on May 11, 2005 13:55:52 GMT -5
I havnt played RPG but it looks like the area is a big circuler island.
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Post by Claws on May 13, 2005 18:09:27 GMT -5
Yes, all of the islands are arranged in a circle. I don't know what you're getting at, though.
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Post by Yoshi Master on May 15, 2005 21:58:15 GMT -5
Paper Mario, big map, shows the whole Kingdom area. RPG, the Kingdom is supposed to be there. 2 Kingdoms, 2 differnt locations, who to trust. I say Paper Mario  |
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Post by Claws on May 20, 2005 6:46:52 GMT -5
I say both. They're two different places.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on May 20, 2005 10:06:54 GMT -5
If I had to pick just one, I'd say Paper Mario. Simply because SMRPG was a joint effort between Nintendo and Squaresoft, so it was kind of "tainted" by Square's influence.
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Post by Yoshi Master on May 20, 2005 11:41:54 GMT -5
Yes Claws, they're two differnt locations.
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Post by Claws on May 22, 2005 9:14:51 GMT -5
Okay, if they're two different locations, then why are we deciding which is right? They both exist and serve different purposes. The true capital is probably the SMRPG castle because it is where the Chancellor resides. The Paper Mario castle is Peach's personal castle, and although I'm sure it's important to the government, it acts more as a figurehead for the organization.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on May 22, 2005 10:00:39 GMT -5
Exactly how we have the White House in Washington, and the Capitol Building in Maryland. One is where the President resides, and one serves a more official governmental purpose. If anything, I'd say that the castle we see in Mario 64 and so forth is Peach's home and the castle from SMRPG is only a political building.
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Post by Yoshi Master on May 22, 2005 11:53:08 GMT -5
I really need to play RPG.
Could this chancelor guys castle be the government for only that RPG island area? Who would rule a kingdom from across seas? What's the point of that?
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on May 22, 2005 16:09:23 GMT -5
It's possible that the Mushroom Kingdom runs on a fuedalistic government, but with the speed that warp pipes grant you I don't see a reason for that. That's probably just their capitol city, where as the Mario 64/Paper Mario castle is the actual residency of the monarch.
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