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Post by Yoshi Master on Jun 22, 2005 23:23:59 GMT -5
Royal Mario Kart 64 Raceway? What will that prove? It's on the DS soo?
It's such an inconvienience to have a race track and/or golf course and/or tennis court in front of a castle isn't it? Several race tracks. Can't we just say it's all behind the castle? And didn't we say we shouldn't nesicaraly include the sports games to be cannon?
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Post by Claws on Jun 24, 2005 9:20:53 GMT -5
I never said that. I consider every game to be canon, even if it's a sports game. I know the racetrack thing is inconvenient, but I'm not going to ignore Mario Kart 64. The track was explicitly in front of the castle. A part of it even led to the castle. So here's my compromise: the gate at Toad Town always led to a road that went to the castle. Then, when kart racing became big, they incorporated part of that road into a racetrack. When the races were over, the track was left and the road reopened (that part depends on Royal Raceway appearing in Mario Kart DS. If it doesn't show, I guess we could say they tore the racetrack down after it was used.)
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Jul 22, 2005 10:08:08 GMT -5
That seems so illogical, though. Why go through all the trouble to build these big huge tracks and playing fields, only to tear them down after a single use? And the fact that they would build such things directly in front of Peach's castle seems rediculous enough; it's such a huge security risk, ya know? And in any case, if we're gonna take the sports games into account, we seriously do need to think up a reason as to why Bowser would suddenly be on such good terms as to play a nice game of golf or tennis with his arch-enemies. ~_~
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Post by Claws on Jul 25, 2005 14:53:53 GMT -5
Probably for the same reason he joined Mario in SMRPG--his selfishness. Perhaps he feels he needs the publicity. And since the Mushroom Kingdom knows that if they were to try to arrest him when he's competing, the Koopa Army would crush them. So instead they allow him to do as he pleases. Remember, the only thing preventing total domination of Mushroom Earth by Bowser is Mario. The Mushroom Kingdom Army is apparently very weak.
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Post by Claws on Jul 25, 2005 14:55:38 GMT -5
About the racetrack--they tore it down. I just got done with Peach's Invitational in Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, and two golf courses appear in front of Peach's Castle. I'm assuming they tear these things down and build new things because the Kingdom is very serious about sports.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Jul 25, 2005 17:29:24 GMT -5
And since the Mushroom Kingdom knows that if they were to try to arrest him when he's competing, the Koopa Army would crush them. Well then why doesn't he just invade the Kingdom and get it over with? If he has the ability to destroy his opposition, then why waste time competing in silly sports? UNLESS! Perhaps both the Mushroom Kingdom and the Koopa Klan have reached beyond the need for combat on the battlefield. For example, here on Earth we hardly ever see any real combat anymore. All of our warfare is just point and click on a computer and a self-guided missile does the rest. And to make things better, we're already researching missile sheilds, which are basically auto-targeting laster defense batteries which will target any incoming ballistic projectiles and blow them out of the sky before they reach their target. These two things combined make warfare almost obsolete. So what if the Marioverse countries have reached the same point? If they've gotten to a point where they can no longer do combat with one another on the battlefield, then the only thing that will have any affect is politics; and what's the greatest asset in being a successful politition? Publicity! THUS, the Koopa Klan and the Mushroom Kingdom could have signed a non-aggression treaty (to an extent) which would allow their represenatives to participate in these sporting events in one another's home countries. The sporting events are then televised and so forth, so that they are a perfect outlet for political publicity stunts. That could be how the racing, sports, and maybe even the party games could actually have a place in the timeline! As for the racetracks and sports arenas, the answer has been right under our noses the whole time: magic. They don't need to tear up the tracks and courses over and over again; they can just alter them through magic to suit their needs. That would be much more economically sound than constantly funding various construction projects. *Whew* So what do you guys think? |
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Post by Yoshi Master on Jul 25, 2005 19:50:01 GMT -5
The first thing: well thought out but no
The second thing: mabey but it would be a whole lot of time and magic just for a race. Plus even with magic Toad Town would be in the way.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Jul 25, 2005 22:26:05 GMT -5
The first thing: well thought out but no If you have a better explanation I'd be glad to hear it. Until then, I'm sticking with that one. And we don't necessarily know how much time or magic it would take for them to pull something like that off. The Toad Town thing is a predicament, though. Perhaps the giant blue door simply opens onto a read leading up to the castle, not to the actual castle itself? |
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Post by Yoshi Master on Jul 25, 2005 22:48:58 GMT -5
I just don't consider racing games cannon.
Bowser coperating just really doesn't fit his whole take-over-the-world personality.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Jul 25, 2005 22:49:56 GMT -5
It does if you take into account my theory. He's still trying to take over the world, he's just doing it in a smarter way.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Jul 25, 2005 23:41:52 GMT -5
I want to state, though, that I would only use this theory if I absolutely HAD to. I'd still rather not take those games into account.
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Post by Claws on Jul 27, 2005 23:46:57 GMT -5
No, Kamikaze, that's a brilliant theory. To be honest, I really didn't have a good answer to why Bowser would participate in all of these sports events. Your theory is perfect. I plan on incorporating it into my timeline.
If you take Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour into account, then it's a fact Toad Town doesn't sit right in front of Peach's Castle. When you play Peach's Invitational, you see there are hills separating Toad Town (or the area where it is located) from the castle. So this leaves a lot of space for golf courses and race tracks.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Jul 28, 2005 13:07:01 GMT -5
Hmmm, that would solve alot of problems. My theory might also explain why there's never been an all-out war between the two kingdoms, only simple discreet operations by Mario and Luigi.
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Post by Yoshi Master on Jul 29, 2005 17:57:19 GMT -5
It just seems so terribly ubsurd to have all these sport things in front of a castle. Any castle! It's like putting a race track in front of the White House. Dangerous to the public and residents safty for entrance to the building.
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Post by Claws on Jul 29, 2005 19:18:40 GMT -5
How is it dangerous? They probably locked the building down.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Jul 31, 2005 11:57:58 GMT -5
True, it does seem dangerous. But as Claws mentioned, a complete evacuation and lockdown of the surrounding area, as well as the probability of heavily prepared royal guard ready to jump in at a moments notice, would fix the situation to a degree. Besides, the racetracks weren't directly in front of the castle; you actually had to go off road and drive for a little while to actually get there.
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Post by Claws on Jul 31, 2005 13:47:00 GMT -5
About Super Smash Bros. Melee's Peach's Castle level: I think the competitors just fought on top of a model of the castle, as it's way too small to be the real one.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Aug 1, 2005 11:06:15 GMT -5
I thought SSB and SSBM never really happened?
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Post by Yoshi Master on Aug 1, 2005 18:49:27 GMT -5
We never really decided on anything a long time ago but they probably didn't happen.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Aug 1, 2005 19:48:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought it had been established that in SSB the characters were only dolls brought to life by Master Hand, and in SSBM it was the same thing, only they were trophies and not dolls.
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