The mysterious biology of the Yoshi.

[Vent]

Blame Nintendo. They willingly sold Rare off after Microsoft bought their market shares.

[kingkoopa]

The only thing that is terrrible enough for me to blame Nintendo for is the Cd-i games. WHY DID THEY GIVE THEM TEMPORARY RIGHTS

[Koopalmier]

Nintendo of America did it. Nintendo of America is evil. Nintendo of America censors everything, much like 4Kids. And they do bizarre things. For instance, they didn't censor Zero in Kirby's Dream Land 3 when there's quite a lot of blood that could be "easily" censored (by recoloring the blood, for instance) yet they censored Ganon in Ocarina of Time because of a bit of blood. Oh, and they Americanize everything in their sight. EVERYTHING. Except the Legend of Zelda series for some reason, and the Metroid series because it doesn't have any Japanese culture to start with. And the POKéMON series wasn't totally Americanized. But many changes weren't needed. Most, if not every, pun in the Japanese version of Mario & Luigi 3 could've been kept, and many changes they did to the characters were very bad ideas ("HELLO YELLO!" ; "By boogity!"...). They do nice things once in a while (the 1337 Hammer Bros., Fawful's Engrish) but it's rare. Oh, and they gave the rights for making games like Mario is Missing, Hotel Mario, Mario Teaches Typing.

TL;DR NoA is evil.

[Vent]

They aren't "evil', that's just the way businesses work. Quit being immature. It isn't helping your credibility.

[SMBBQ]

I dunno, it seemed he was being half-facetious.

[cheat-master30]

To the person who said NOA is evil... please keep in mind without them we wouldn't have Mario's name, Pauline's name, Luigi's name, the Koopalings' names and Super Mario Bros 2.

Unless you're the kind of elitist fan who thinks everything Japanese is so fantastic above all else, in which case you'll probably be blind to that. God I despise it when people hate translations for not sticking to the original 100%, especially when they complain about humour near enough everyone else actually likes.

Who cares about Ganon's blood colour? Anyone on the planet?

Many of the changes in Pokemon worked just fine. They needed to have the puns work in all languages you know.

Mario is Missing, Hotel Mario, Mario Teaches Typing

Not in the last ten/twenty years.

As you may guess, I hate the whole anime style translation hating the internet often has, and quite honestly, think a lot of obsessive fans really ended up like they are for being rather unlikeable.

[Le Mario Bro]

*looks up to title of thread*

...Well, I do enjoy Yoshis...

*looks down at discussion*

...The crap?

[Sarisa]

Sept 11, 2010 17:55:43 GMT -5 cheat-master30 said:

As you may guess, I hate the whole anime style translation hating the internet often has, and quite honestly, think a lot of obsessive fans really ended up like they are for being rather unlikeable.

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Translation is never going to be perfect. That's why there are different styles of translation. For prose, the main divide is between literal translation (absolute fidelity to the original) though idiomatic translation (altering the original to make the literary quality of the translation better) out to out-and-out adaptations (Samurai Pizza Cats). Literal translations are less prone to mistakes but rarely make good reading; idiomatic translations make the material more attractive, at the cost of a much higher rate of alterations, misconstructions, and flat-out mistakes.

For a Mario game, a loose, idiomatic translation works better for most purposes; the purpose of the script is to read well when played casually by gamers who don't especially care whether Grass Land is a part of the Mushroom Kingdom or not. The problems come in when the answer to a question turns on the exact wording of the source material - for that, a literal translation is what is needed, at the explicit price of good writing.

tl;dr Obsessive fans need different translations from regular users.

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[Koopalmier]

Sept 11, 2010 14:48:25 GMT -5 Vent said:

They aren't "evil', that's just the way businesses work. Quit being immature. It isn't helping your credibility.

Did my message seem serious ? I was exagerating. A lot. <_<

NoA just doesn't always do their work well. For instance, the Zelda games are directly translated from Japanese - which basically destroys every pun and reference - while the Mario series is too translated to Englsih - so much that they add puns that didn't need to be there, and take out puns that could have been easily translated. And they tried at a moment to change the American canon, by claiming Mario IS from Brooklyn (see the Mario Party 5 website... I think ?).

And, @cheat-master : I WAS joking. The only times I ever prefer the Japanese version over the French or American one is for the continuity and stuff that was lost. The latest release (which is the European one most of the time) tends to be the best one.

Now, let's talk about Yoshis. And their mysterious biology. Um... How come their eggs explode ?

[kingkoopa]

They didn't try to change the canon, that is what they actually believed

[Koopalmier]

How could they believe this at the time GameCube games were released ? SMW2 clearly shows Mario and Luigi aren't from Earth. They also did the same in Mario 64. I may understand for SM64 - the game wasn't released too long after Yoshi's Island. But Mario Party 5 (or some other GameCube game) ?

[kingkoopa]

It would help if I knew what website it was. Of course you can't even go to any of those websites anymore, but I remember that the Mario Party 5 one had a presidential theme.

[Koopalmier]

Then it must be some other GCN game.

After searching, it is indeed MP5, but apparently it's the instruction booklet.

The Brooklyn kid who made good is back again for Mario Party 5. Mario's great attitude and luck will do him well in these events. Who knew pumping pipes in New York could lead to a gig like this?

[SMBBQ]

I use to follow the Brooklyn Theory. That is, until I began examining the wider aspect of the Marioverse.

[Sarisa]

So, on one hand, we have the in-game plot of the Yoshi's Island series and Partners in Time, and on the other hand, we have (recent) instruction manuals and a generation of similar-level materials (novels, movie, etc.).

I'm going with the in-game plots, especially since the Brooklyn Theory requires fitting the original Donkey Kong into a warp pipe.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

I'm gonna go with the idea that Mario and Luigi were born, er, storked on Yoshi's Island, and then somehow moved to RW Brooklyn latter on in their lives, before eventually finding a way back to the MW.

It seems like that theory includes all game's new and old into the cannon. I kinda wonder where their parents come from and what happened to them though. Besides a small cut-scene showing their feet in YI, I don't think there's been any mention of them, has there? :/

[Koopalmier]

I first thought that they died during the Shroob invasion, but after discovering the invasion didn't happen originally (actually the game itself shows it clearly, as E. Gadd's memories are altered by what's happening in the past - remember that scene where he gets the idea to make the Hydro-thing machine ? You know, the one that stops the eruption of Thwomp Volcano and eventually the Shroob invasion), I think that they moved elsewhere before the time of the invasion, which explains why the babies were living in Peach's castle at the start of the game.

[cheat-master30]

Their parents could have been killed by Kamek or the like. Or another villain they fought as kids or something. Or maybe someone they fight in future who tried to kill off Mario and Luigi as babies and failed.

[SMBBQ]

Or it was a totally natural death.

[PDoogan]

My theory is that their parents thought it was too dangerous to to raise them in the Mushroom Kingdom (especially with an evil turtle wizard hunting you down) So they went to a place where they knew Kamek would never find them (i.e Earth)