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Post by PDoogan on Nov 13, 2010 16:07:54 GMT -5
I was thinkin' there are certain places in the world where royalty is more of a figurehead then the person in charge of the government.
England is a good example: It has a queen, but she really doesn't hold any power (That's the parliament's job.) Perhaps the Mushroom king is similar to this and we just don't see him because he's not very important.
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Post by Sarisa on Nov 15, 2010 1:55:48 GMT -5
Where does Peach get an official bio? Smash Bros. games? I really need to see some of those Japanese bios.
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 15, 2010 6:14:32 GMT -5
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Post by kingkoopa on Nov 15, 2010 17:58:23 GMT -5
Wait what... The Adventures of Super Mariop Bros 3 said that she is SEVENTEEN.
... I think I can sort of see why you guys don't trust the cartoon that willingly
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Post by 1up on Nov 15, 2010 18:58:10 GMT -5
@ kingkoopa
I think that some of the ideas from the cartoons should be accepted, but not all of them. That claim being one of the obvious reasons.
Also, I think that this blurb from the instruction manual of the original Super Mario Bros. might shine some light on this subject:
"One day the kingdom of the peaceful Mushroom People was invaded by the Koopa, a tribe of turtles famous for their black magic. The quiet, peace-loving Mushroom People were turned into mere stones, bricks, and even field horse-hair plants, and the Mushroom Kingdom fell into ruin.
The only one who can undo the magic spell on the Mushroom People and return them to their normal selves is Princess Toadstool, the daughter of the Mushroom King. Unfortunately, she is presently in the hands of the great Koopa turtle king..."
Well, there you have it. Apparently, the Mushroom Kingdom does have a king. Where his whereabouts are is still a mystery, though.
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Post by kingkoopa on Nov 15, 2010 21:39:52 GMT -5
Wev've known that there always was a mushroom king, we just don't know who exactly he is or what happened to him and how he controlls (or controlled) the kingdom.
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Post by 1up on Nov 16, 2010 1:34:13 GMT -5
Oh, well, then... *clears throat*... If you'll excuse me... *slowly backs out of the room*
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Post by Clive Koopa on Nov 27, 2010 16:40:11 GMT -5
Wait what... The Adventures of Super Mariop Bros 3 said that she is SEVENTEEN. ... I think I can sort of see why you guys don't trust the cartoon that willingly Yeah. It also said Kooky created the minions and other stupid things. |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 27, 2010 16:46:34 GMT -5
Which is EXACTLY why we don't consider it Canon.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Nov 27, 2010 16:59:23 GMT -5
The only thing I consider canon from the cartoon is some of the koopaling's personalities but not to the extent it is shown on the show.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 27, 2010 17:09:51 GMT -5
Yeah, agreed. I think that they got the personaliies right mostly, but then they pulled to the extreme and ruined it.
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 28, 2010 4:37:54 GMT -5
The American Mario cartoons aren't canon (and aren't even good) for many, many reasons.
- They aren't Japanese. Or, rather, they didn't air in Japan. Japan is Mario's COUNTRY. It's like if, I don't know, a spin-off series of House was created but wasn't aired on American T.V. ...
- They are barely like the Mario world.
- They messed up the continuity (in America, at least) before Nintendo could even create it (in Super Mario RPG).
- They pulled out many... "unlikely" theories like "Mario and Luigi are from Brooklyn".
- They were babyish.
- The quality... argh.
- Most of the time, the story in each episode would almost be the same, but in a different, weird setting.
- etc.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 28, 2010 16:22:00 GMT -5
...That's EXACTLY why we don't consider them canon.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Nov 28, 2010 16:38:37 GMT -5
The American Mario cartoons aren't canon (and aren't even good) for many, many reasons. - They aren't Japanese. Or, rather, they didn't air in Japan. Japan is Mario's COUNTRY. It's like if, I don't know, a spin-off series of House was created but wasn't aired on American T.V. ... Actually Mario is Italian or Italian-American. He has an Italian accent as does Luigi. You can even hear a slight Italian accent in Luigi in the cartoons. As for game canon, Mario probably isn't either American, Italian or Japanese but the accent would suggest otherwise. But then again, the Mario series was only just beginning when the cartoons aired and it also came before Yoshi's Islands' release. How did they mess it up? The cartoon isn't canon so what's the problem and Nintendo probably had nothing to do with the making of the them either. I, personally, find that theory more believable than the stork theory. I never really understood that and find the YI story very hard to accept as I can never explain their origins. At least the show did try to explain how the Mario Bros. got to the Mushroom Kindgom. That's your opinion. I didn't find it babyish, but the glitches and some of the stories were quite annoying and some of the designs too. I don't see what's babyish about it.. That's one thing we can agree on. I also didn't like the format (2x15 minute episodes) and the fact there was only a few episodes per series. As well as the glitches, etc what I already mentioned. That's true. It's also weird as how each episode seems to treat any Koopaling what doesn't feature in a given episode as if they don't exist. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 28, 2010 17:18:34 GMT -5
You can't really give a nationality to Mario. If anything, he's Mushroomian[/b].
Super Mario Wiki sees them as being canon. And many people think that, even if the stories aren't canon, other things are (i.e. Mario comes from Brooklyn).
I agree it would've been an interesting thing... if Yoshi's Island didn't partially destroy it.
It made me cringe at least three times per episode.
I'm mainly talking about the animation quality. A flash movie is more fluid than this.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Nov 28, 2010 17:24:41 GMT -5
Super Mario Wiki sees them as being canon. And many people think that, even if the stories aren't canon, other things are (i.e. Mario comes from Brooklyn). That's true. I do still believe the Mario comes from Brooklyn theory. If Yoshi's Island had made a better job at explaining Mario and Luigi's origins, then I would maybe have switched my beliefs to match that. Yeah. TAOSMB3 is probably the most or at least one of the most glitchiest cartoons there is. The animation quality was a bit rubbish and some of the designs were quite crappy too. |
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Post by SMBBQ on Nov 28, 2010 19:24:04 GMT -5
Clive, just because it's silly to think that the Bros literally came from a stork, doesn't mean that YI has to be disregarded entirely.
I don't think anyone here takes it literally, I think we've all agreed that the Stork was just delivering the babies from a hospital, in fact.
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Nov 28, 2010 19:43:45 GMT -5
Wait what. Hospital WHAT?!  EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE!!!!!!*brain splod'd* |
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Post by Clive Koopa on Nov 29, 2010 3:56:29 GMT -5
Clive, just because it's silly to think that the Bros literally came from a stork, doesn't mean that YI has to be disregarded entirely. I don't think anyone here takes it literally, I think we've all agreed that the Stork was just delivering the babies from a hospital, in fact. True. There's a lot of plotholes in both Yoshi's Island and Partner's In Time, which I'd rather not get into detail about. The story seems to make out that Mario and Luigi magically appeared from nowhere. The hospital part at least makes it a bit more believable. |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 29, 2010 4:28:19 GMT -5
Not really, we just don't see the Hospital part because it's irrelevant to the story of YI, which is not focused on the Bros. birth's, but is based on the adventure to rescue Luigi from Kamek and to spark Mario and Bowser's rivalry.
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