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Post by SMBBQ on Jan 4, 2011 21:32:30 GMT -5
Everyone...calm down a second. We've argued this topic a lot, and we never get anywhere with it. Let's just agree to disagree.
If it's necessary to debate it, I'd like us all to do it calmly, no more calling each other names. It's called respect.
Cthulhu Almighty, it's like debating religion in here...
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Post by Vent on Jan 4, 2011 22:32:45 GMT -5
There's one problem with that: How can you disagree with something that is for all intents and purposes, a fact?
See, the reason all the discussion here is like debating religion is because it's entirely based around beliefs, not facts. I can understand wanting to explain away things in Mario's world, but most of you just flat out believe whatever you want without using substantiated fact as your basis.
And honestly, if the point of this forum is to "explain things", then why the hell are half the discussions here about crap that's made up and arbitrarily inserted into people's "belief" systems? Shouldn't we be coming up with possible reasons for how Mario can stomp out Bullet Bills with his feet instead of trying to shoehorn things into his (almost nonexistent) backstory that don't belong there?
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Post by Artemendo on Jan 4, 2011 23:26:22 GMT -5
I know no one wants to hear yet ANOTHER viewpoint on this, but as always, I view this from the "Mario canon is not a static thing" perspective, and I think Mario being from Brooklyn used to be true, but now no longer is.
Back in the day, Mario was just "a franchise". Video games weren't as big as they were now, and in order to promote them to a further audience, NoA went and creatively added details they felt would add to the Japanese product in order to be more effective for Americans. These ideas then got picked up for the cartoons and other promotional material, but as time went by, the world changed.
Mario is a huge thing now. Mind-boggingly important and company-carrying franchise, more known than Mickey Mouse. Nintendo now treats it differently, with much stricter rules based on what amount of "canon" it may "reveal" - as we all know, part of the new idea of Mario canon is constantly saying things are not known. Wario and Waluigi brothers? Completely obvious but not officially confirmed. Birdo's gender? Always contradicting. Many Mario games simply go out of their way not to disclose any more canon, in order to keep everything open for the future. You treat a huge franchise much different than a developing one.
Nintendo of America has dropped the Brooklyn thing a long time ago, and them not even mentioning it in places they would have stuck it for the sake of it for a decade means it's a thing they want to make us forget now. Mario is only known now as "the plumber from the Mushroom Kingdom". Does he live there? Was he born there? Nintendo thinks we should not care.
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Post by Koopalmier on Jan 5, 2011 1:49:15 GMT -5
Everyone...calm down a second. We've argued this topic a lot, and we never get anywhere with it. Let's just agree to disagree. If it's necessary to debate it, I'd like us all to do it calmly, no more calling each other names. It's called respect. Cthulhu Almighty, it's like debating religion in here... We're not insulting each other seriously. Well, at least I'm not. Vent : What about arguing with other people than me and just ignoring the crap I say ? Then you'd get a better point of view of this forum. |
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Post by Clive Koopa on Jan 5, 2011 4:40:45 GMT -5
Not to sound mean Dinosaur... but CALM THE HECK DOWNnow I will answer your questions calmly... Mario being born in the MK: Just because Mario is born in the MK doesn't mean he never was in Brooklyn Mario facing DK in Big Ape City: I might be the only one who thinks this, but since it didn't state directly that it was meant to be where Mario faced off with DK (not only that but who says it didn't happen more than once) I don't consider the events of DK to have taken place in the MK. Not hearing of Brooklyn: Now hold on there. It isn't like I'm pulling some crazy idea from out of my hat. The only reason that I believe that Mario came from Brooklyn is because it was the NoA canon and I had it bashed into my skull every time NoA made a Mario product. After hearing it so many times (not only that, but it used to be agreed canon) I just took it for fact and tried to fit it in to the Mario canon however I could. To add to my explanation that Mario coming from Brooklyn isn't a crazy idea... I will state a fact that I know for sure is true: The world that any given character lives on is assumed to be Earth unless stated otherwise. So once the idea of him being from Earth was planted, it began to grow until the point where it cannot be removed without a strong bulldozer (in other words it has to be said in a Mario game that Mario never lived in Brooklyn). And Dinosaur, I really resent that last comment of yours. Try to remember that this is only a discussion and there is no need for you to get so angry. Exactly, that's mainly why I believe he's from Brooklyn too. Dinosaur, you need to calm down and realise that you are not the only person in this thread. Just because someone might not agree with you doesn't mean you should act like a baby. Just because you may or may not believe something doesn't mean other people do. If you don't like it here then why are you bothering to post. If you're going to be nasty about it then don't bother posting at all. Name me one Mario game where Brooklyn is seen or mentioned in-game or in the manual. Lisenced games don't count. Go ahead. What do you mean by licensed games? I never really pay attention to manuals so I don't know and haven't played much recent games. I still think... 1. Mario Brothers were born in a hospital, later delivered to their family via stork. I'm more inclined to believe this theory than the sky babies theory. |
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Post by Vent on Jan 5, 2011 7:57:55 GMT -5
....did you not just read any of the posts any of the posts that came after that one?
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