Koopalings

[Meta Black Yoshi]

shadowgoomba said:

Thank you Clive. You can call them clones all you want, but there is no reason for them to be and plenty of reason for them to be his offspring. Sure you could say it was a mistake for them to look different, but if they can't get simple things like general appearance right, how would they be intelligent enough to get them alive? If they're that ignorant, then there's nothing stopping them from messing up one part of the DNA, effectively killing it. You can't just mess around with genetics and say, "I believe I'll create a very smooth and straight star-shaped scar on this one. Let's make one absurdly short, but not a midgit. And lets make a few bald and give one a giant hairstyle just for the heck of it!" It doesn't work like that, especially in the scientists are as ignorant as you say they are.

Who's to say they didn't have a couple of unliving things created in the process. We don't really know. As for things such as star shaped scars and hair-styles that's not at all related to genetics. Being bald might be but the rest is only conected to genetics through personality traits.

[shadowgoomba]

Hairstyle maybe not, but simply having that much hair is. We have no idea whether the star is natural or artificial. People have Mushroom Caps and beards that reach the floor. Some things have huge tongues and some are as sturdy as a plastic bag filled with Jello. People look different. So nature's evolution of genetics is different as well. And I'd like to see a short person say they chose to be that way. In fact, it would be far, far easier to create an identical clone than one with different traits, and Bowser would prefer one identical more anyway. (As proven by his fondness for Koopa Kid minions and Bowser Jr.) You can't just change any particular aspect of genetic code. If you muck around with it, you have a much greater chance of killing the baby every time as opposed to making it look different.

[Clive Koopa]

shadowgoomba said:

First of all, I was trying to disprove the other people who thought the Koopalings were clones. I could see Bowser Jr., maybe. I have no opinion about the Koopalings and Bowser being a different species, but you asked for counterexamples, so if you insist:
1. Higher muscle mass
2. More box-like shape
3. Flamethrower attack (not just fireballs like Fire Bros.)
4. Horns
5. Sharper claws
6. No beak and different head shape overall
7. Less bulgy eyes
8. Sharper teeth
9. Poisonous slash (Paper Mario, but it may have been a bite, can't remember)
10. Larger feet in proportion to body size

Let me add one to that list:

11. Hair on their heads

[Rex]

clivekoopa said:

First of all, I was trying to disprove the other people who thought the Koopalings were clones. I could see Bowser Jr., maybe. I have no opinion about the Koopalings and Bowser being a different species, but you asked for counterexamples, so if you insist:
1. Higher muscle mass
2. More box-like shape
3. Flamethrower attack (not just fireballs like Fire Bros.)
4. Horns
5. Sharper claws
6. No beak and different head shape overall
7. Less bulgy eyes
8. Sharper teeth
9. Poisonous slash (Paper Mario, but it may have been a bite, can't remember)
10. Larger feet in proportion to body size
11. Hair on their heads

4. Only bowser and bowser jr have horns, dispite the fact that BJ is younger then the koopalings. If BJ is a clone, then it would be something bowser exclusive, perhaps a mutation?
9. He could just have dipped his claws in poison.
11. Koopas have hair, just play the paper mario series

As for the rest, I'm, preety sure bowser was called a mutant koopa somewhere. That would explain the bulk, though it's been shown that sumo brothers can get very heavy, and your right that their fire attack is different from the fire bros, but it could be a variation of the fire bros attack.

Feel free to list the holes in my explanation.

[shadowgoomba]

I thought of another one:
12. Spikes on their tail
Your explanation of four just means that some of Bowser's family has horns and some don't. Until we find a normal Koopa with horns, that arguement doesn't pass. Also, some of them could have horns underneath their big hairstyles.
Nine wouldn't work: The poison would dry, sense he would have to dip it before the battle. He also doesn't wave the Star Wand before he slashes, so that's out. It would need some kind of internal release system to be effective.
I thought of your reasoning for #11, which is why I didn't say it.
Mutation wouldn't work as the traits wouldn't pass to his kids. That's like saying your kid will be born with pink hair if you dye it.
Sumo Bros. look like they have a connection with magic; the average creature can't rain down a pillar of fire. This also explains their rarity. Sledge Bros. possess the strange gene from Giant Land/Big Island. And Boom Booms are probably the same species. Kent C. Koopa was probably a mutation, which makes sense as the Koopa Villagers said he used to live there. And Hookbill was magically altered. I think I covered all the bases.

[Rex]

Actually, I was talking about the NSMB sumo bros, whitch do not posses the big island gene, and hooktail isn't a koopa. But I get your point.

[shadowgoomba]

HookBILL. As in Yoshi's Island. I forgot about the ones in NSMB. Refresh my memory, what world(s) are they in, and do they rain fire?

[PDoogan]

komrade said:

I personally believe that Bowser simply has a ton of concubines.

Heh, that reminds me of a comic I did recently:
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I definately think Bowser and his kids are a seperate species from the other types of koopas. The entire body structure is different besides the fact that both are orange (execpt morton) and have shells.
As for not being able to breed because they're the only ones, I'm sure there are more out there, the koopa kids from Mario Party being a good example. If they look and act anything like Bowser, they're probably not accepted by many in a place likr the Mushroom Kingdom, but that doesn't mean they can't live elsewhere.

[shadowgoomba]

Yeah and Boom Booms are probably the same subspecies too. Lol at the comic.

[Clive Koopa]

Boom Booms are a different sub-species to the royal Koopa family, they look nothing like each other. Boom Booms looks more like Sledge Brothers although even they aren't related either.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

Well if Bowser's genetic makeup was altered or mutated, then it would pass on to his children. Not that have heard anywhere else the thing about him being a mutant.

[shadowgoomba]

Boom-Booms look more like Bowser than Sledge Bros. On Boom-Booms, there is no beak, they have high muscle mass in proportion to size, a spiked shell, two parts of a face, non-beady eyes, more pronounced eyebrows, and claws on their feet. Sledge Bros. have none of these things and are just enlarged Hammer Bros. that are a bit wider and green. (possibly Boomerang Bros.)

[Meta Black Yoshi]

Bowser had beady eyes when he was kid and Bowser jr has them.

[shadowgoomba]

True, but Sledge Bro is mature.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

How can you tell?

[shadowgoomba]

The fact that it is more rectagular than square.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

Wha... What's more rectangular? It's body? What dose that have to do with maturety? Aren't Sledge bros. like freaks from giant land? Why are we talking about sledge bros.?

[PDoogan]

I think he's talking about the snout.
Anyway, I always assumed the "bros." koopas came in two sizes: Small (hammer, fire boomerang, ect) and Large (sledge, limbo, possibly chomp) I don't think being from Giantland has much to do with it.

[shadowgoomba]

Actually, I did mean rectangular. It's in the sprites. If it would cover one "square" (the size of small Mario) then it's immature. If it's two vertically, then it's mature enough. You can see how Baby Bowser is half the size of Yoshi in YI while Bowser in SMB3 is roughly the size of Super Mario. All of the ratios hold true as well. It's not that hard to understand as most creatures grow highth wise more than width wise anyway.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

Um....I think Bowser is bigger than Mario. Also, in SMS he was freakishly huge for some reason. In SM64 for 64 he was about twice as tall as Mario and 3 or 4 times as wide. :/