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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Sept 15, 2007 15:48:37 GMT -5
Lol. Maybe in the begining, the koopas were so horrible at genetics that they while attempting to get something that was closer to Bowser they ended up swiitching out a y with an x. It's possible. It's not as if the koopas havn't been know to make silly mistakes in the past.
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Post by Toomai on Sept 15, 2007 20:36:50 GMT -5
Yeah, and you can't learn without making mistakes.
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Post by shadowgoomba on Sept 17, 2007 21:20:19 GMT -5
Gender is the first thing genetics decide, after species. If they can't get that right, then there's no possible way they could get any of Bowser's other traits, like his shell that they share.
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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Sept 18, 2007 1:08:35 GMT -5
Perhaps after multiple simi-succeses/failures some of the guys in the koopa department aimed at cloning Bowser wonder if the reason they wern't getting perfect clones was because maybe Bowser was a female and the didn't know it. Lol. Or maybe they just wanted a female version of Bowser forever reason. I've allways beleived Bowser and his kids to be a separate species or sub-species from the rest of the koopas anyway so maybe getting the shells down actualy wasn't that hard. BTW, if they atualy were cloning Bowser, what method do you think they would use, or which do you think they did use?
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Post by Toomai on Sept 18, 2007 7:16:46 GMT -5
A "quick 'n' dirty" clone could be made just by replicating the entire celluar structure, like Dittos do. (Explains the fake Bowsers in SMB: once the Goombas are down, they can't hold the transformation.) But a "real" clone would require both DNA and an embryo cell, no matter what kind of time magic or modification technology you have.
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Post by shadowgoomba on Sept 18, 2007 8:02:53 GMT -5
It just seems to have too many holes for them to be clones. Besides, you could just look at the SMB3 and I believe the SMW manuals, which say they are his children. It seems much more likely that Bowser's wife either died, moved away, or the Koopa culture is different. (Perhaps it is customary, after the birth of the child, that the female leaves and the male is left to care for the child. This could explain the several unique aspects of the Koopalings. Also, since Bowser is royalty, seven kids wouldn't be as hard to imagine. I wish there was a better way to say it, but there's not, so...the girls would be all over him.)
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Post by komrade on Sept 18, 2007 18:47:13 GMT -5
I personally believe that Bowser simply has a ton of concubines, as was the custom of many tyrants. After all, look at Morton; his skin is dark, which is usually a dominant gene for most species (wonderful Caribbean vacation, Bowser?). A geneticist would have some peculiar mix-up to produce that from Bowser's DNA. The Koopa concubine hypothesis seems to make sense, if you think about it - it would explain why the Koopalings look so diverse from one another and how the legitimate Bowser Jr. was able to take their place so quickly. Unless, of course Junior wasn't, yet Bowser was particularly fond of the mother or resulting son.
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Post by shadowgoomba on Sept 18, 2007 18:51:56 GMT -5
That would work too. They just don't seem to be clones of any kind.
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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Sept 19, 2007 1:33:39 GMT -5
They can be clones and Bowser's kids...
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Post by shadowgoomba on Sept 19, 2007 1:52:16 GMT -5
How?  Adoption? They're still not his actual children if they are. |
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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Sept 19, 2007 14:04:25 GMT -5
What do you mean? What's your definition children?
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Post by shadowgoomba on Sept 19, 2007 14:47:30 GMT -5
A genetic combination created by a sperm and an egg, developed into an entity. For them to be his actual biological children, they couldn't be clones or be adopted.
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Post by Toomai on Sept 19, 2007 15:17:18 GMT -5
That would fit the definition of "offspring". "Child" refers to any being that is under the official care of an older, mature being of the same species.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Sept 19, 2007 16:17:43 GMT -5
The Koopalings are 100% Bowser and Clawdia's children and not at all clones. I think they are all a sub-species of Koopa too like Meta Black Yoshi said. It is my belief that Clawdia was murdered sometime after the seventh koopaling was born (I already have my own theory-based dates for this).
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Post by shadowgoomba on Sept 19, 2007 16:30:22 GMT -5
Thank you Clive. You can call them clones all you want, but there is no reason for them to be and plenty of reason for them to be his offspring. Sure you could say it was a mistake for them to look different, but if they can't get simple things like general appearance right, how would they be intelligent enough to get them alive? If they're that ignorant, then there's nothing stopping them from messing up one part of the DNA, effectively killing it. You can't just mess around with genetics and say, "I believe I'll create a very smooth and straight star-shaped scar on this one. Let's make one absurdly short, but not a midgit. And lets make a few bald and give one a giant hairstyle just for the heck of it!" It doesn't work like that, especially in the scientists are as ignorant as you say they are.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Sept 19, 2007 16:34:01 GMT -5
Just because they are siblings doesn't mean they have to look the same. Just look at peoples' brothers and sisters in real life and some of them look nothing like each other and they're not clones. You're absolutely correct Shadowgoomba, I was thinking the same thing.
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Post by Rex on Sept 19, 2007 17:24:13 GMT -5
Who ever said they were clones in the first place? I though Bowser jr. was the clone. Anyway, Give me proof that bowser and his kids are of a different species then regular koopas. Besides the shells, as shells are detachable (proven by koopatrols).
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Post by komrade on Sept 19, 2007 18:26:48 GMT -5
I highly disagree with the existence of Clawdia as a single mother. Once again, I would like to point Morton as my proof: his skin is dark, which is a dominant trait. I understand that siblings' appearances tend to differ, but not to the radical diversity exhibited by the heir of the KK. So either Bowser had a harem or an awful Henry VIII syndrome.
On the species of the Koopalings: well, perhaps you're right, Rex. I definitely agree that the Koopalings are the same species as the Troopas. Otherwise, it would be impossible for Bowser and his offspring to breed.
As for Junior's classification as a clone: I disagree with that, though I admit that it does make sense. Perhaps Bowser mated with a spouse/concubine/etc. that had very similar alleles (or simply good luck in the draw)?
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Post by shadowgoomba on Sept 19, 2007 18:28:34 GMT -5
First of all, I was trying to disprove the other people who thought the Koopalings were clones. I could see Bowser Jr., maybe. I have no opinion about the Koopalings and Bowser being a different species, but you asked for counterexamples, so if you insist:
1. Higher muscle mass
2. More box-like shape
3. Flamethrower attack (not just fireballs like Fire Bros.)
4. Horns
5. Sharper claws
6. No beak and different head shape overall
7. Less bulgy eyes
8. Sharper teeth
9. Poisonous slash (Paper Mario, but it may have been a bite, can't remember)
10. Larger feet in proportion to body size
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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Sept 20, 2007 2:28:20 GMT -5
A genetic combination created by a sperm and an egg, developed into an entity. For them to be his actual biological children, they couldn't be clones or be adopted. If they do cloning like we do, then they would still fall under your definition. |
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