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Post by PDoogan on Mar 11, 2009 16:16:35 GMT -5
Because E.Gadd acted like he had met the brothers before. (not counting PiT)
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 11, 2009 17:57:23 GMT -5
Nah the proof is all in the Star Beans Cafe
1. Luigi apparantly owns and knows how to use the Polturgust 3000 in one of the cutscenes there
2. When the lights turn off the LM music plays (Around the middle of LM Luigi will start humming and whisleing the tune so the song at least exists to Luigi)
3. E. Gadd apparently trained one of the ghosts from the mansion which he was never able to do before (unless the ones in the training room are trained)
4. Lastly, all of the inventions E. Gadd shows off in SSS are improvements of inventions he made during LM such as the GB Horror Advance and the Poltergust 3001
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Post by shadowgoomba on Mar 14, 2009 13:25:01 GMT -5
Nah the proof is all in the Star Beans Cafe 1. Luigi apparantly owns and knows how to use the Polturgust 3000 in one of the cutscenes there He could have used it before Luigi's Mansion.2. When the lights turn off the LM music plays (Around the middle of LM Luigi will start humming and whisleing the tune so the song at least exists to Luigi) I'd call this non-canon. Background music probably doesn't exist for the most part in Mario's world...except for from radios and stuff and the Airship theme (which always struck me as the Koopas' military march)3. E. Gadd apparently trained one of the ghosts from the mansion which he was never able to do before (unless the ones in the training room are trained) There's nothing saying that he didn't do it before Luigi's Mansion...that was just one particular ghost.4. Lastly, all of the inventions E. Gadd shows off in SSS are improvements of inventions he made during LM such as the GB Horror Advance and the Poltergust 3001 He could have made the inventions before and just gave them to Luigi then because they were more practical (GB Horror SP doesn't relate to ghosts, Poltergust 3001 isn't convenient because you have to ride it)PDoogan: In Superstar Saga? Why did he have to meet them anywhere else? He'd know them anyway.
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 15, 2009 9:21:20 GMT -5
Nah the proof is all in the Star Beans Cafe 1. Luigi apparantly owns and knows how to use the Polturgust 3000 in one of the cutscenes there He could have used it before Luigi's Mansion.Remember Luigi just recieved it in that game I can turn the game on and read the exact text if you want.2. When the lights turn off the LM music plays (Around the middle of LM Luigi will start humming and whisleing the tune so the song at least exists to Luigi) I'd call this non-canon. Background music probably doesn't exist for the most part in Mario's world...except for from radios and stuff and the Airship theme (which always struck me as the Koopas' military march)Backround music does exist (At least to some people) Mario hums his theme in the shower (SSS), Luigi hums the Mansion theme in dark corridors (LM).3. E. Gadd apparently trained one of the ghosts from the mansion which he was never able to do before (unless the ones in the training room are trained) There's nothing saying that he didn't do it before Luigi's Mansion...that was just one particular ghost.If E. Gadd could have trained ghosts he could have had quite an army in LM but Gadd was the only helper you had (unless you count Clarivoyant)4. Lastly, all of the inventions E. Gadd shows off in SSS are improvements of inventions he made during LM such as the GB Horror Advance and the Poltergust 3001 He could have made the inventions before and just gave them to Luigi then because they were more practical (GB Horror SP doesn't relate to ghosts, Poltergust 3001 isn't convenient because you have to ride it)He did make those inventions before of course how do you think he had them ready to use and he never gave Luigi any of his inventions before because in the beggining scene of LM E. Gadd is using the Poltergust 3000 and E. Gadd needed to teach Luigi how to use the ^ and the GB Horror and never said "Do you remember how to use these Luigi"PDoogan: In Superstar Saga? Why did he have to meet them anywhere else? He'd know them anyway.
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Post by shadowgoomba on Mar 15, 2009 16:06:27 GMT -5
1) You do that. 2) All of which should be considered non-canon. Does music randomly start playing from nowhere in the background of real life? 3) He said that ghost was special...I'm sure most wouldn't be able to be trained like that. 4) I'd leave that to the developers...I mean, the method to using badges is explained in both Paper Marios too, but that doesn't mean Mario forgot how to put a badge on his chest or that menus appear out of nowhere. The game explains it to you so you know how to use it.
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Post by Toomai on Mar 16, 2009 7:49:44 GMT -5
I have always stated that the Marioverse timeline mirrors the order of game releases unless there is conclusive proof otherwise. And since Nintendo keeps using material from previously-released games in new games, the series keeps building on itself in a way that is far easier to explain just by saying the release order is the timeline order. (With the exception of the Yoshi mini-series.)
As for background music...the Mushroom Kingdom has to have a national anthem, doesn't it? Plus there're other places the characters could pick up tunes, such as the radio. And there is that one bit in Banjo-Tooie where Kazooie remarks "the music's changed"...although they are a lot more aware of their status as game characters over there. (Not counting how music is part of the quiz in BK.)
Hmm...I just had an interesting thought. In our universe, the cosmic background radiation is a 3Hz radio signal that permeates all of space. (That's where some radio static comes from.) But in a universe that's part magic, would it be so odd that different parts of space radiated different tunes in a form that would stimulate one's inner ear?
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Post by shadowgoomba on Mar 16, 2009 13:41:44 GMT -5
Simplicity shouldn't be your deciding factor. I mean...there's plenty of contradictions if it's purely in order. National anthems are normally supposed to be inspiring...not the catchy jingles which radiate throughout most of Mario's world. Radios are more likely, but how come you never hear any lyrics? And yes, Banjo and Kazooie (as well as Cranky Kong and several of Rare's other characters) know a ton about their games to be funny. I'd take that "evidence" with a grain of salt. It COULD, but even magic probably starts as random jumbles of energy before it's harnessed. Besides, many universes without magic (F-Zero, Star Fox, Metroid, etc.) have background themes as well.
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Post by Toomai on Mar 16, 2009 20:44:02 GMT -5
Simplicity shouldn't be your deciding factor. I mean...there's plenty of contradictions if it's purely in order. That's true; however it's best to start with the simplest solution and work out kinks from there. That way you (usually) have less kinks to work out.Music's completely acceptable as an art form without lyrics, although admittedly such music would be less popular. (Personally, I hate lyrics.)Hmm...well, magic probably does start out as a mess. But I wouldn't think it could stay that way for long in the presence of a bunch of sentient organisms. Even a stray thought could cause something to shift.Well, I could fluff up a few explainations for those, but I think they're a bit too off-topic for here.
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Post by shadowgoomba on Mar 16, 2009 21:47:56 GMT -5
Simplicity shouldn't be your deciding factor. I mean...there's plenty of contradictions if it's purely in order. That's true; however it's best to start with the simplest solution and work out kinks from there. That way you (usually) have less kinks to work out. Of course, but isn't me pointing out the contradictions throughout Luigi's Mansion smoothing the kinks out? Music's completely acceptable as an art form without lyrics, although admittedly such music would be less popular. (Personally, I hate lyrics.) You'd think that it'd show up more...lyrics are obviously popular, seeing as characters like Pop Diva (that's her name, right?) exist. Hmm...well, magic probably does start out as a mess. But I wouldn't think it could stay that way for long in the presence of a bunch of sentient organisms. Even a stray thought could cause something to shift. It's magic, not psychic powers. I doubt it's that affected by it...why would they use wands if they didn't need them? Well, I could fluff up a few explainations for those, but I think they're a bit too off-topic for here. Off-topic? This topic's supposed to be about the realism of SMB2... Too late now. But to reinforce my point, what about Pikmin? It is in solitude, eliminating most of the examples I could see you saying. Also, would they really be humming all of it? Some seems really hard to reproduce with hums thanks to slow tempos and such, and most have big arrangements of "instruments." Not to mention some music sucks so hard NO ONE would hum it...
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 18, 2009 16:43:51 GMT -5
I still say that SSS came after LM and as for the exact words from LM I cannot do that at the moment since it has been having trouble since the power went out but it will be fixed soon
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Post by Rex on Mar 19, 2009 13:18:04 GMT -5
So here's a recap. SSS comes after LM, because LM is the first time E. Gadd meets Luigi (besides in the past of PiT) and he's now created upgraded versions of the Poltergust 3000 and Game Boy Horrer. PiT comes after SSS because Fawful tells you how he was defeated. And Luigi's mansion can't be the last game in the series because Bowser attacks in both SSS and PiT. Also, E. Gadd doesn't remember Luigi from PiT because it was 20 years ago.
This begs the question though, how did Bowser's spirit get into the painting with King Boo if he wasn't really soundly defeated?
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 19, 2009 21:00:29 GMT -5
That was a Bowser clone like those in the original SMB exept it had King Boo in it instead of a Goomba
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Post by shadowgoomba on Mar 20, 2009 19:21:42 GMT -5
This is all extremely confusing...Luigi's Mansion opened up a can of worms that I'm not sure will ever be solved...I still am not convinced that Luigi's Mansion has to come before SSS and PiT, though.
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 21, 2009 21:52:15 GMT -5
PiT came waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before LM unless you are looking from the grown up Bros. perspective
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Post by shadowgoomba on Mar 22, 2009 10:57:56 GMT -5
I think it's pretty obvious that we are.
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 23, 2009 20:43:37 GMT -5
Here's a question...
Which came first PiT or SSS (from the adult perspective)
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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Mar 23, 2009 22:26:16 GMT -5
SSS, one reason is because Fawful, in Pit, says that he was defeated by red and green.
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 27, 2009 14:00:39 GMT -5
Oh yeah I forgot about that part so the PiT does come after SSS
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