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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 13, 2010 0:45:53 GMT -5
There's the SM64 one, and the NSMBW one. Due to their similarities, the recent one may just be a redesign of the previous one. The one in MPDS is so much like the SM64 one that it could count as if it is it. I guess other flags are just for the look.
EDIT: The flag at Little Fungitown is a green mushroom on a white background - in other words, the end-of-level-flagpole from SMB. I think that it may have always been there: don't forget that Little Fungitown is a place created by Toads who moved to the Beanbean Kingdom, and it's right next to the Mushroom Kingdom frontier. They don't really need to put the MK flag, considering they are somewhat part of the MK. Plus the MK's flag (or something similar) is nowhere to be found in the Beanbean Castle, so why'd it be at Little Fungitown too ?
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Post by Sarisa on Dec 13, 2010 1:17:28 GMT -5
Wow, that's some collection of data there!
It's interesting that the red-with-white-triangles pennant appears in 7 games over a 10-year period (1996-2006). I can't think of any commonality to the games, though.
The ones with mushrooms are both ones we get to see up close - do we get as good a shot of any of the others?
OT: I sent a reply.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Dec 13, 2010 1:27:13 GMT -5
Where can I find an Image of the Super Mario Galaxy flag?
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 13, 2010 13:16:18 GMT -5
Just watch the SMG ending.
It's the "real" version, as it first appeared in a main series game.
Yes, except for the Mario & Luigi 1 one.
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Post by Sarisa on Dec 13, 2010 16:31:42 GMT -5
EDIT: The flag at Little Fungitown is a green mushroom on a white background - in other words, the end-of-level-flagpole from SMB. I think that it may have always been there: don't forget that Little Fungitown is a place created by Toads who moved to the Beanbean Kingdom, and it's right next to the Mushroom Kingdom frontier. They don't really need to put the MK flag, considering they are somewhat part of the MK. Plus the MK's flag (or something similar) is nowhere to be found in the Beanbean Castle, so why'd it be at Little Fungitown too ? I'd always assumed it was a green koopa shell on white. Not sure why, looking back; I'd assumed Mario was lowering the Koopa flag and raising the MK one to mark taking back the level. NES graphics can be a pain. I thought that Little Fungitown was still in the Beanbean Kingdom, except for the embassy, which following the RL laws regarding embassies was Mushroom Kingdom territory. The natives talk about goods imported from the Mushroom Kingdom, which implies that they're not part of it. So, logically, the flag at the embassy should be an MK flag to mark the nationality of the embassy. Breaking the fourth wall, I'm sure the Little Fungitown flag was from SMB to invoke nostalgia, just like the music and the layout on giant mushroom caps that featured prominently in SMB and then vanished. But even I can't explain everything away with an appeal to the fourth wall. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 13, 2010 16:47:21 GMT -5
Well, if you jump on the flagpole, the flag lowers. They don't take it out even if Peach isn't in Little Fungitown, either. And Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga is pretty much a big joke. Maybe that it's indeed nothing more than a SMB reference - considering how the embassy is a fortress from SMB too. And maybe that it's always been there and isn't related to how Peach is there.
Plus isn't the green-mushroom-or-shell flag the Koopa Tribe flag, according to your theory ? Then Little Fungitown would put the Koopa flag.
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Post by Vent on Dec 13, 2010 17:20:27 GMT -5
If NSMB/Wii is anything to go by, the image on the flagpole in SMB is actually a skull. They merely changed it from green to black in NSMB/Wii.
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Post by kingkoopa on Dec 13, 2010 19:20:14 GMT -5
The flag in SMB is a skull. What would make you think otherwise? The only other thing I've heard someone think that it was was a peace sign. And he only said that because he had made a Mario is Communist Theory
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Post by Sarisa on Dec 14, 2010 2:12:14 GMT -5
Plus isn't the green-mushroom-or-shell flag the Koopa Tribe flag, according to your theory ? Then Little Fungitown would put the Koopa flag. That's why I was squinting at it really hard trying to talk myself into seeing a mushroom there. It looks more like a peace sign than a skull, honestly. They tried, but it is hard to make things out in SMB and harder when you're four. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 14, 2010 11:03:05 GMT -5
It is either a skull, either a mushroom according to the SNES version.
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Post by Sarisa on Dec 14, 2010 20:01:43 GMT -5
One quibble with the data collection - in PiT in the present, the same pennant flies as in the cutscene (beige with a brown mushroom).
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 15, 2010 1:23:11 GMT -5
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Post by Sarisa on Dec 15, 2010 2:11:04 GMT -5
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 15, 2010 9:28:20 GMT -5
Then both are still used.
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Post by The_Cat on Dec 16, 2010 21:23:43 GMT -5
On the subject of the SMB flag:  I seem to recall it being black-and-white, but.. Yeah, it's probably a sign of Koopa dominance of the castle, since the manual explicitly states Bowser took over everything before the game. |
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Dec 16, 2010 21:28:57 GMT -5
Yeah, that looks more like the pattern on the back of a Koopa shell, to me...
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Post by The_Cat on Dec 17, 2010 1:11:49 GMT -5
Yeah, that looks more like the pattern on the back of a Koopa shell, to me... Dunno about you, but it looks like a skull to me. Although I can see where you'd think it's a shell. |
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Post by Artemendo on Dec 17, 2010 7:42:53 GMT -5
It looks like an ambiguous 7x7 emblem to me. You know, this might really be a shell OR a skull, and the fact that some games interpreted it as the second doesn't mean anything about what it was intended to be. This is just like the Bullet Bill sprite, it has two possible interpretations, and games were never quite unanimous in their decision to pick one over the other. I talked about this here: www.waluigious.com/2008/08/in-which-bullets-are-armed-to-teeth.htmlIn fact, the color of it seems to suggest it's a shell... after all, what other Koopa-related thing is green? |
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Post by kingkoopa on Dec 21, 2010 14:26:34 GMT -5
Well Bowser's skin was green in the original Super Mario Bros. but that really doesn't count...
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Post by PDoogan on Dec 21, 2010 16:18:44 GMT -5
Well Bowser's skin was green in the original Super Mario Bros. but that really doesn't count... No, he was orange. (Look at the sprite) But he was depicted as sort of a blackish-grey in the Japanese box art. |
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