Twilight City is Big Ape City ?

[EpicGyllynn]

As much as I love Nintendo Power, it has no bearing on canon. Although I see how the appearance of a Construction Site would make sense, but isn't there even a SLIGHT possibility that it's just a clever reference, not the real deal?

[Koopalmier]

Are you ignoring that "the sight of that familiar skyline might bring back fond memories" ? Or that the buildings of both cities are identical while Mushroom City's tall buildings are mushroom-shaped ?

[EpicGyllynn]

What do you mean the tall buildings are Mushroom Shaped? I've never noticed that... And the "familiar" thing could be, as I said, a homage. I mean, do you really believe that the Construction Company just cancelled the project because of the DK Incident, and then left the materials in the EXACT same place? Because I think that building would have been long finished by now.

[Koopalmier]

We don't know if it's a building or anything. Only that it's a construction site. I guess that the construction site has been abandonned since long.

And look under MKDD Rainbow Road. The tallest buildings have a mushroom-like roof.

[EpicGyllynn]

But people don't just abandon Construction Sites, at least not without scavenging the reusable materials(i.e. Steel Girders, Ladders, etc.). Also I never noticed the 'Shroom Roofs, that's pretty cool.

[Koopalmier]

Knowing that no inhabitants were seen in DK94 (although there were monsters), and the city was populated by Kremlings in Donkey Kong Land, I suppose it's like an abandoned city that is inhabited by whoever wants to live there. I doubt there's a governement either. You could say it's, like, a hotel city.

[EpicGyllynn]

But Twilight City HAS inhabitants! Maybe it was just temporarily taken over by Kremlings, but even then, I find it unlikely that Mario would move all the way to DK Island just for employment.

[cheat-master30]

Now with Donkey Kong Country Returns, doesn't Big Ape City take place where the Factory world is in the new game?

Because in that game, Cranky I hear says how the area reminds him of his past, and the old arcade game's settings are visible in the background of Foggy Fumes (as is Mr Game and Watch, which presumably makes Game and Watch games Mario universe/canon). I think DK Vine thought that they may have demolished much of Big Ape City to build the factory when the Tikis took over.

[kingkoopa]

So I was playing DKCR and in one ruins level the runes showed a picture of classic DK holding a barrel. I know this is just a clever reference but I just had to mention it.

[SMBBQ]

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

@cheat-master: That's exactly the point I was trying to make.

My idea on it is, that Twilight City was a Mushroom Kingdom colony of sorts. However, the Kong residents of the island knew it as Big Ape City. During DK'94, Mario was living there, working on construction for the city (you all know what happens next).

After DK Arcade, things were returning normal, until the Kremlings built Kremkroc Industries nearby. Eventually, the whole city would've been evacuated during the events of DKC and DKL DKL, due to Kremlings invading.

By the time of Mario vs DK, though, the Mushroom Kingdom had the area under their control once more. After Mario vs DK, the city might've been abandoned entirely, leaving it to the Tiki Tak Tribe in DKCR.

Whew, that was a globinload of words, huh?

[Koopalmier]

I don't see the MvsDK series as canon. Why ? Well, in this series, Pauline is Mario's love interest. DK is the same guy who kidnapped Pauline before. Yet the Mini-Mario toys are made due to Mario's celebrity, so it has to happen in the current time period. Every piece of continuity is destroyed.

In the "canon" series, I think that, between the events of DK94 and DKL, the city depopulated until being without any population (I guess a big city on a mostly natural island with no possibility of making the city bigger may not work well). In DKL, it was taken over by Kremlings, who got their butt kicked out of there by DK. And the Factory level in DKCR is the construction site near Big Ape City, but modificated by the Tikis.

In the "MvsDK" continuty, the city didn't lose any population and may have even extended (as there's quite a big way from DK's home to Big Ape City, yet I doubt DK had any troubles going there in MvsDK) and was renamed "Twilight City".

[SMBBQ]

I don't want the MvsDK series to be canon, either. I was providing a theory, in case it was.

There's so many differences, though, that it shouldn't be canon at all.

[Vent]

Canon or not canon, I'm not buying the thing about Big Ape City and Twilight City being the same place. Too many aesthetic differences plus there wouldn't be Toads living there if it was Big Ape City.

And since when do we decide that certain games are "not canon" just because we don't want them to be? That's some subjective bullcrap.

[Koopalmier]

Because any game which happens to be in the current time period yet says Pauline is still Mario's love interest can be anything but canon. Except if Mario has major relationship problems (as he's obviously going back to Peach in the next game) or cheats, which seems unlikely from such a character.

[rhinotaur]

Big Ape City certainly can't be on DK Island. Donkey Kong would be pissed if a bunch of humans or whatever built a big nasty New York City ripoff on his island, after the Kremlings already tore up their part of the island.

[Koopalmier]

The city may have not been made with bad intentions. Like, a try to make the island more popular by modernizing a part of it.

And don't forget that it's Cranky Kong you're talking about.

[Vent]

Where exactly does it explicitly say that Pauline is "Mario's love interest" in any of the four MvDK games? Just because he's rescuing her doesn't mean they're in love.

Seems to me you just like being argumentative for the hell of it.

[Koopalmier]

The booklet for Mario vs. Donkey Kong; Mini Land Mayhem says she's Mario's love interest. There's also a heart at the end, when Mario rescues her.

[SMBBQ]

Also, DK seems to act out of character. He acts more like Cranky did, kidnapping over not getting his way and such.

[Vent]

Mini-Land Mayhem says it but the other three games don't. Why does this one take priority and deem the entire sub-series "non-canon"?

Does this mean Super Mario Land is non-canon just because it shows Mario fawning over Daisy ("Oh Daisy!") at the end of each world?