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Post by cheat-master30 on Nov 12, 2010 10:22:29 GMT -5
In relation to Donkey Kong? I know he's the arcade Donkey Kong character, but is the current Donkey Kong a grown up DK Jr or DK Jr's son?
If the latter, what actually happened to Donkey Kong Jr, and why hasn't he appeared in Donkey Kong Country as an adult?
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Nov 12, 2010 10:31:49 GMT -5
You got that from reading the "Spitballing" Thread, didn't you?  Either way, I think there's one thing that we can use as evidence that Cranky's his dad and not grandad. Yoshi's Island DS. In the game, you can see that both Mario and DK were babies at the same point in time, but fastforward to the "Donkey Kong Jr." arcade game, you can see that DK Jr's still a kid while Mario is a fully grown adult. I have the inclination that our DK is actually a generation inbetween Cranky and DK Jr. Why they don't call the kid DK III or where he is these days is beyond me, however. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 12, 2010 11:34:02 GMT -5
Baby Donkey Kong is the current Donkey Kong.
Donkey Kong Jr. is also the current Donkey Kong.
Cranky Kong is the old Donkey Kong.
And all this is official.
Now, if Cranky Kong was DK's grandfather, Mario must be really old. Like, as old as Cranky.
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Post by 1up on Nov 12, 2010 13:51:10 GMT -5
But, if that's the case, why is Mario a grown man in the arcade games, while DK Jr. is still a kid...? Sheesh, none of this makes any sense!
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 12, 2010 14:26:04 GMT -5
He looks much younger in the GB version of Donkey Kong. He's way more weak and what he does can be done by a human (that would be trained very well, but that's still not superhuman), his jump abilities aren't as epic as in Super Mario Bros. (or as in Mario Bros., for that matter) and his moustache is... well, it's not as big as today. And you have Baby Mario and Baby DK being at about the same age.
I theorize that both Mario and DK are adolescents at the time of Donkey Kong '94.
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Post by 1up on Nov 12, 2010 14:50:39 GMT -5
I dunno. I think that might be stretching it a bit...
In the artwork for Donkey Kong '94, Mario looks exactly the same as he does in any other game. Also, DK Jr. actually looks a lot smaller and younger than he did previously.
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Post by SMBBQ on Nov 12, 2010 17:45:14 GMT -5
If we want to make it work, I think Mario has to be an adolescent.
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Post by kingkoopa on Nov 12, 2010 18:34:25 GMT -5
I know that this doean't help much, but DK could have been 3-6 years old in YIDS since they never really said how old each of the babies were at the time. And by the time Mario is facing Cranky, DK is already is in his 20s. (DK Jr. is shown as being slightly bigger than Mario)
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Post by 1up on Nov 12, 2010 18:46:48 GMT -5
@ smbmaster
I don't think we can make it work, though. Nintendo really dropped the ball on this one (I blame Rare). Even if Mario was an adolescent, it still wouldn't sync up with the story very well. Mario and Donkey Kong were both babies in Yoshi's Island DS...
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Post by Indigo on Nov 12, 2010 19:12:56 GMT -5
I honestly never liked the idea that the original DK was actually Cranky Kong. Actually, scratch that, I hate that idea. Not only does it mess up my image of the "real" DK, but it just doesn't make any logical sense to me.
For instance, how is it that DK aged so quickly from the arcade game while Mario stayed relatively the same age? Same goes for YIDS - how is it that Baby DK aged so much more quickly than the other babies? It just seems to make more sense that the original DK was not Cranky Kong, but rather just the DK we know today.
That said, I believe that DK Jr. is simply DK's son (who we don't really see in many games), and that Cranky is DK's grandfather. He just fits the "cranky old grandpa" archetype really well.
Now, if Cranky Kong was DK's grandfather, Mario must be really old. Like, as old as Cranky.
Hm... I'm afraid I don't follow. Please explain.
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 12, 2010 19:43:15 GMT -5
Well, if Cranky is DK's father and Mario was an adolescent during Game Boy Donkey Kong, then he must be between 20 and 30 now.
But if Cranky Kong is DK's grandfather, Mario is way older. He's old enough so that he could meet a person AND its child AND its child's child.
So what ? DK Jr. (the current DK) was, like, 14 or 15 at the time of Game Boy Donkey Kong, and same goes for Mario.
Also, notice how DK Jr. is pretty much like today's DK in Super Mario Kart, which means he's an adult now. Like Mario.
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Post by 1up on Nov 12, 2010 19:47:55 GMT -5
DK Jr. was so not 14 or 15 in Donkey Kong '94. He was obviously a little kid.
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 12, 2010 20:01:42 GMT -5
It's a cartoon universe. Don't take it too seriously. Cranky Kong was the all-strong Donkey Kong and is now an old, weak man who's not taller than the current DK.
OK, then he was a little kid. And Mario was a little kid. They are about the same age.
Also, SSBB did state Cranky was DK's grandfather, but Rare later contradicted it by saying once and for all that he's his father. I suppose HAL mixed up some things - after all the Smash Bros. trophies are always full of error (mainly in Melee) and it looks more like it's made by a random fan than anything else.
EDIT: Well, they had an article about that on Mario Wiki, but it's not there anymore.
If Mario wasn't 15, maybe that he was, like, 13 then ?
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Post by Indigo on Nov 12, 2010 20:13:36 GMT -5
Whoa, wait. I'm pretty sure Mario was never an adolescent in any of his games. He's an adult even in the old Donkey Kong games, no?
And I think DKCR is reestablishing Cranky as DK's grandfather, although I'm not 100% certain.
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Nov 12, 2010 20:27:29 GMT -5
Well, they had an article about that on Mario Wiki, but it's not there anymore. If Mario wasn't 15, maybe that he was, like, 13 then ? With facial hair?  |
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Post by 1up on Nov 12, 2010 20:45:58 GMT -5
A lot of facial hair...
Even cartoon universes follow the laws of time and physics, to a given extent.
I hope DKCR actually is retconning Cranky to be DK's grandfather. That would make a lot more sense, in my opinion.
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Post by SMBBQ on Nov 12, 2010 23:01:00 GMT -5
I honestly never liked the idea that the original DK was actually Cranky Kong. Actually, scratch that, I hate that idea. Not only does it mess up my image of the "real" DK What exactly is your veiw of "Real DK" then? I'm curious. As for retconning it out, I hope not. Rare said Cranky was DK's father, that should be that. As for Cranky calling DK his "grandson", Cranky's probably been a little senile for awhile now, he could always just be confused/saying it wrong. |
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Post by 1up on Nov 13, 2010 1:13:46 GMT -5
Well, honestly, this whole mess is Rare's fault to begin with. Seriously, did Mario's age even cross their minds at all, when they decided to say the Cranky was the original DK...?
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 13, 2010 6:57:04 GMT -5
A lot of facial hair... Even cartoon universes follow the laws of time and physics, to a given extent. I hope DKCR actually is retconning Cranky to be DK's grandfather. That would make a lot more sense, in my opinion. Moustache usually starts to grow at 12. Seeing how big Mario's moustache is, it must grow really fast. And, although that doesn't count, things such as Mario & Luigi 1's US commercial showed Mario and Luigi having a moustache since they're kid |
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Post by Indigo on Nov 13, 2010 8:59:29 GMT -5
What exactly is your veiw of "Real DK" then? I'm curious. I said my view of the "real" DK. The "real" DK is the one from the arcade games. I don't like the idea of Cranky Kong being the original DK because a) It ruins the idea of the whole "Mario and DK were once bitter rivals" thing, and b) It makes no logical sense. Call me crazy, but I'm certain that Mario was certainly NOT a kid in the original arcade game. As for the whole dad-granddad issue, I like to think that Cranky is DK's granddad for the simple reason that he seems more like a typical grumpy old guy figure than anything else. |
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