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Post by 1up on Nov 20, 2010 13:03:12 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that Nintendo of America isn't on the same level as Nintendo of Japan. They don't make games, they only port them to America and make changes. They even say Nintendo of Japan is their "parent company", not just another HQ of Nintendo that happens to be in Japan. Nintendo of Japan is THE Nintendo, Nintendo of America is porting these games to American people, Nintendo of Europe is porting these games to European people. No one's saying that they're both on the same level. But, just because they don't develop the games, doesn't mean that they don't have a stake in the Marioverse. What I find odd is that this forum is supposed to be dedicated to filling in the gaps of the Marioverse, but you guys refuse to accept solutions to certain unanswered questions, just because the solutions were provided by Nintendo of America... This really vexes me, mainly because it's a really poor reason to ignore a piece of continuity. Nintendo of Japan certainly takes precedence over Nintendo of America, if their stories contradict one another. But, if Japan keeps silent about something and fails to expound on it, I don't see why America's idea can't be accepted. (Saying that it over-complicates things is a lame argument also, by the way.) No one's saying to accept every version of the continuity. My point is that Nintendo of America has come up with some solid ideas that shouldn't be broomed aside, just because Nintendo of Japan didn't think of them. I don't see why not. That concept's not hurting anything. In fact, it ties PiT and BIS together. So, it's actually a pretty good idea. For the record, I don't consider any of the Mario Party games to be canon. They're merely board games, and have slight hints of "story" in them to keep them from getting too boring. But, I thought it was... That's what the in-game story implies, anyway. Unless Mario, Peach, and Bowser are over a thousand years old... |
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 20, 2010 14:41:24 GMT -5
But the Marioverse IS the games.
Yes, but it's still nothing more than just theories. Nothing actually confirms them.
Just to tell you, I'm the only one around here to actually ignore what Nintendo of America says.
Nintendo of Japan alreayd did their best to prove that Mario hasn't been on Earth, with Yoshi's Island, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time and Donkey Kong 94.
Why not ? Nintendo of Europe is as important as Nintendo of America.
Fawful and the Shroobs already tie PiT and BIS together. Plus nothing proves they're related to the Cobalt Star.
So you don't see some games as being canon, yet you accept ideas that haven't been proved in the games... ?
In case you didn't realize it, the Grand Finale Galaxy level is the Star Festival. In other words, they did the festival again because Bowser foiled it previously. SMG2 starts during the same festival. So it takes place a few hours after SMG1's extra level. Plus how could it be a retelling if you have Dino Piranha Jr. (Peewee Piranha's Japanese name) and other things referring to SMG1's events ?
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Post by 1up on Nov 21, 2010 20:34:58 GMT -5
Nintendo of Japan alreayd did their best to prove that Mario hasn't been on Earth, with Yoshi's Island, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time and Donkey Kong 94. The first two games establish that they lived in the Mushroom Kingdom for a time, when they were young. That doesn't disprove the notion that they moved to Brooklyn and forgot about their infantile misadventures, though. And I still don't get how Donkey Kong '94 establishes anything. Um...? I'm not really sure what Nintendo of Europe has to do with any of this.... But, okay...? >_> Yes... Your point being? You'll have to excuse me if I don't accept games like Alleyway and Mario's Picross as canon. Not every single game can have a place in the continuity. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 22, 2010 1:36:42 GMT -5
DK94 has Poison Mushrooms, the first two worlds or so are on DK Island, and the last world is in the Mushroom Kingdom (where Super Mushrooms also appear).
They say the Star Sprites are related to the Cobalt Star. Well, it's not as ridiculous as "Mario comes from Brooklyn" because it could be true, but the Japanese version doesn't say so.
These games completely lack a story though. Yet Mario Party games have a story, and they even are canon according to Paper Mario.
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Nov 22, 2010 8:26:51 GMT -5
These games completely lack a story though. Yet Mario Party games have a story, and they even are canon according to Paper Mario. Didn't Mario Party 5 come out a few years after Paper Mario, though? |
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 22, 2010 11:47:34 GMT -5
So what ? Mario Party 1 and 2 came out before Paper Mario and are part of the Mario Party series. What do you mean ?
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Nov 22, 2010 12:43:00 GMT -5
I assumed that you meant that the Mario Parties are canon by the fact that the Star Spirits made a cameo appearance, but that's all it was, a cameo. It's like Geno being in Superstar Saga, but with a more predominant role.
...Of course, I am the type of guy to believe everything that's put in front of me, so who am I to judge?
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 22, 2010 13:30:07 GMT -5
Luigi mentionned the Mario Party series in his diary in Paper Mario.
And there's a large difference between a cameo appearance and a role. Geno didn't have any role in MLSS, heck, it was a random doll presenting a short mini-game. The Star Spirits are the most important characters of Mario Party 5. See the difference ?
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Nov 22, 2010 13:46:53 GMT -5
*facepalm*
Once again, my genius has fallen flat on its face just because I have the attention span of chocolate pudding...
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Post by 1up on Nov 23, 2010 13:42:55 GMT -5
DK94 has Poison Mushrooms, the first two worlds or so are on DK Island, and the last world is in the Mushroom Kingdom (where Super Mushrooms also appear). Wait... where's your proof that it's on DK Island? I already said that the Star Sprites being spirits of the Cobalt Star was a good idea, and that I accept it. What's your point, exactly? Also, Mario being from Brooklyn isn't ridiculous. Quit being such a jerk... Geez.  The Mario Party games barely have stories. "Mario and his friends want to find out who's the best. So, they take part in a giant board game to decide it." Sorry, I don't consider that canon. In fact, the only games I really consider canon are: all of the main series games, all of the RPGs, the spin-off platformers (Donkey Kong Country, Wario Land, Yoshi's Story, etc.), and probably a few others that I can't remember at the moment. I don't think spin-offs like Dr. Mario and Mario Golf are canon. They're just games in different genres that use a Mario aesthetic to make money. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 23, 2010 14:34:38 GMT -5
Big-City is Big Ape City. Big Ape City is on DK Island. Mario doesn't quit the island until... World 3, I think ?
An idea isn't a fact. An idea is a theory, only confirmed by one country but not even stated by any other country.
Sorry for being a jerk then. Oh, and it's still ridiculous.
You surely don't know much about the series. This is only the plot for the first Mario Party. Mario Party 2 has a story which is also a play, and Mario Party 3 actually has a plot. Mario Party 4's story is simple yet exists, same goes for Mario Party 5. Mario Party 6 is only a pop-up book, Mario Party 7 and 8 have little story, Mario Party DS and Advance have a real story. There's a story if there's an ending, and Mario Party 1's ending is the only one to just be "Bowser is beaten, your character wins, the end".
That was my way of thinking too, before I realized that each game does exist and thus it can count as canon as long as it's not contradicted by something else.
Also, the Mario Golf series is mentionned in Paper Mario, just like the Mario Party and Mario Tennis series, and the Mario Kart series is mentionned in Paper Mario 2.
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Post by 1up on Nov 23, 2010 14:51:39 GMT -5
Big-City is Big Ape City. Big Ape City is on DK Island. Mario doesn't quit the island until... World 3, I think ? Again, what proof do you have that Big-City and Big Ape City are the same location? Big-City just looks like a generic city to me. In fact, it might be New York (which would help prove my theory). This whole forum is centered around theorizing about the Marioverse. Of course it's not fact. That's why we're all here, isn't it? None of the games really have a story. I've played all of them. They just have enough plot to keep people from getting bored. "Master each board to gain possession of the Millenium Star" is not enough of a story for me to accept it as part of the continuity. Sorry, but I refuse to believe that Mario can be a doctor. I can maybe buy tennis-player and golfer, but not a doctor. Also, Mario Kart doesn't even have a plot... Just because there's a clever little nod to something, doesn't automatically make it part of the continuity, in my opinion. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 23, 2010 16:09:16 GMT -5
There's a difference between a "clever little nod" and a direct reference.
And, well, Mario Kart games do have a very small story. "Mario and co do car racing and beat each other for teh lulz"
Can someone explain that to him, please ? I'm too lazy to do so.
Mario vs. Wario: The Epic Clash!
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Post by 1up on Nov 23, 2010 16:23:48 GMT -5
Can someone explain that to him, please ? I'm too lazy to do so. No need. I just did some research. I suppose you're technically right.  *whispers to self* (Although, I don't fully accept the Donkey Kong Land games as canon...) lol |
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Post by SMBBQ on Nov 27, 2010 11:45:45 GMT -5
Sorry to get off-topic, but why don't you accept DKL as canon?
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Post by 1up on Nov 27, 2010 14:04:09 GMT -5
I don't accept it because, despite what multiple sources have stated, common sense dictates that the DKL games are really just scaled down retellings of the DKC games. The "story" for the first DKL, for example, is that Cranky challenges DK and Diddy to repeat their adventure from DKC on an 8-bit console... Seriously, that's not even a story. It's just a (semi) clever way of telling the player that DKL is just a down-sized port of DKC.
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Post by SMBBQ on Nov 27, 2010 14:21:41 GMT -5
But the DKL series have entirely different locations in them!
(Well, at leat DKL & DKLIII, DKL2 is definitely a port)
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Post by Clive Koopa on Nov 27, 2010 16:44:53 GMT -5
They say the Star Sprites are related to the Cobalt Star. Well, it's not as ridiculous as "Mario comes from Brooklyn" because it So you think the idea that Mario comes from Brooklyn is ridiculous. I find the idea that two humans were simply delivered out of nowhere by a stork, who also came from nowhere to one of the most ridiculous ideas ever to come from a Nintendo game. |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 27, 2010 19:23:40 GMT -5
KoopalmierHers my thinking: Big City=Mushroom City Big Ape City=Twilight City That's just me though, as it seems their is no way to prove it either way. Also, I consider Mario Part 1-3 to be partially Canon, for example, Mario Party 2 is actually a play; It does not feature the real Bowser, and is not based on real events. It's just a play. Mario Party 4 is a possibility, but after that it just gets more and more ludicrous(the Sun and Moon fighting each other, forcing Mario & Co to Part their problems away). 1upI have no problem with Mario having the intelligence of a Doctor. I don't believe he actually IS a Doctor, but he could certainly match wits with one, just imagine the Mushroom Kingdom being in peril from a virus that(Obviously) doesn't affect Humans, so Mario has to help out by using his knowledge of medicine to help out the Nation.
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 28, 2010 8:03:00 GMT -5
They say the Star Sprites are related to the Cobalt Star. Well, it's not as ridiculous as "Mario comes from Brooklyn" because it So you think the idea that Mario comes from Brooklyn is ridiculous. I find the idea that two humans were simply delivered out of nowhere by a stork, who also came from nowhere to one of the most ridiculous ideas ever to come from a Nintendo game. Except that it's based on storybooks for children, so it's like a heavy reference. And Mario coming from Earth has never been stated - or even hinted - in any Mario game (that was released in Japan). Mario is video games. The End. |
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