SMG2 Star Festival: WTF!?

[SMBBQ]

Okay, it's clearly stated in both SMG1&2 that the Star Festival takes place every 100 years. This is all fine and dandy, until you notice that Mario, Peach, and Luigi are all the same age!

How isany of this possibe, you may ask? Well, I have a few theories.

-Split Timeline, ala Zelda series. Possibly starting during PiT.
-Mario, Luigi, and Peach are all descendants of current characters.
-The Black Hole at the end of SMG caused time to reset to the morning of the Star Festival.
-The wole game never happened.

I personally hate the second and third theories.

Discuss.

[Koopalmier]

After SMG, they re-celebrated the Star Festival because Bowser ****ed it up. The Star Festival in SMG2 must be during the same festival, but some hours later. Look at the picture in SMG's intro: in order, there's one at night time, then at day time, and finally at night time again. My guess is that the festival starts at night, continues during the next day and ends at the night of said day.

In a few words, it's the same festival, but at a different time of day. The Grand Finale level was at night, SMG2 starts the next day.

[SMBBQ]

*facepalm*

How did I not think of that one?

[Koopalmier]

You also forgot the theory that says Mario and co don't age due to 1-Up Mushrooms.

[Le Mario Bro]

I'd go with the first one.

[Koopalmier]

Here's my thought about them:
- Split timeline theory : Meh. The Mario series is anything but story-oriented. The plots are as simple as possible, except for SPM's. A split timeline complicates things a lot.
- Descendant theory : That's ridiculous.
- Black Hole theory : It acted on space, not on time.
- It-never-happened theory : A major Mario adventure not being part of the timeline is a somewhat stupid act.
- It's-the-same-festival theory : It's my theory. Don't touch it or I'll bite. >:3
- 1-Up theory : 1-Ups only bring you back from coma, while Life Shrooms are extremely rare.

But that's only my opinion.

What makes you think the events of M&L2 split the timeline into two ?

[SMBBQ]

I don't, I was just bringing in an example fro another topic.

Honestly, your theory is probably correct. Yes, I touched it.

[Le Mario Bro]

*sees theory*

...

*looks left and right*

Touch.

*bursts into flames*

[EpicGyllynn]

Here's my thought about them:
- Split timeline theory : Meh. The Mario series is anything but story-oriented. The plots are as simple as possible, except for SPM's. A split timeline complicates things a lot.

This. I agree with what you stated in your thread on PiT.

- Descendant theory : That's ridiculous.

I mean, it's possible, but considering the complete lack of technological advancements and sheer lack of ewvidence makes this theory ludicrous.

- Black Hole theory : It acted on space, not on time.

Man, I need to patend my theories(lol), and Black Holes in the Marioverse act differently than in our world. For example, the Black Holes, apparently, produce energy that causes certain objects to orbit the heart(in close proximity) without being completely absorbed(just look at the holed planetoids with Black Hole cores), something that(to my knoledge) does not occur in our universe. Thyerefore, it IS a possibility. Oh, and to support this theory, none of the characters remember the events of the 1st game.

- It-never-happened theory : A major Mario adventure not being part of the timeline is a somewhat stupid act.

True, so, sol true.

- It's-the-same-festival theory : It's my theory. Don't touch it or I'll bite. >:3

The only flaw being the characters lack of memory in regards to the 1st game... Please don't bite...

- 1-Up theory : 1-Ups only bring you back from coma, while Life Shrooms are rare

1-up Mushrooms(also called Refreshooms) do what Koopalmier stated, thus don't affect age. And Life-shrooms either don't exist, or do what they do in Galaxy.

[Koopalmier]

SMG2 is presented as if nothing happened before because the game was made with NSMBW players in mind. I mean, people who played NSMBW as their first Mario game. As such, SMG2 looks like a NSMBW sequel (see the introduction), and borrows many things from it. And characters appear as if Mario didn't went in space before - or never adventured at all. That's also why there's a new Toad Brigade and why Rosalina introduces herself again (but Peach didn't know about her before, and Rosalina knows Mario's name already, so it's not too contradicting).

And Life Shrooms (Paper Mario) exist. You need to bring one to the Puni elder in PM2, in a sidequest. And she says it's because she's scared to die (naturally) soon. So Life Shrooms may make your lifespan longer. Additionally, I think they are called Energy Mushrooms in the original ver. of SMG and SMG2.


And, finally, Mario's world don't need to be in a world that isn't our's. Maybe that black holes act differently depending of their location in space ? Or the ones in SMG and SMG2 are fakes made by Bowser's army. They are lethal, but extremely weak and small, and not seen in other games either.

[EpicGyllynn]

Exactly, but even though it was intended for new players, the facts still stand! As for the game taking place in an unknown part of our Universe, it would make sense, albeit the different physics. The Laws of Physics apply EVERYWHERE in our Universe, if they did not exist then it would be in complete disorder. But this IS the Mario series we're talking about, so I suppose it is theoretically possible.

[SMBBQ]

I do have to agree with Gyllyn here, the Lawsof Physics in our universe are a constant.

[Vent]

-The Black Hole at the end of SMG caused time to reset to the morning of the Star Festival.

I've been going with this since SMG2 came out. Seems to me Rosalina deliberately reincarnated the universe to the exact day before the Star Festival began, except all of the Galaxies from the first game wound up reformatted into the ones we see in SMG2. This may also explain why World S has all those repeats of various Galaxies from the first game.

The one single solitary thing that can muck up this theory is Mario exclaiming "WELCOME NEW GALAXY" at the end of the first game, but then again, he may have actually retained some sort of memory of that last even where Rosalina spoke to him or something.

[Le Mario Bro]

^This.

I actually believe it's a combination of the Black-Hole/Same-Festival theory, myself.

It does seem rather plausible that the Star Festival could last for more than just the one night.

Maybe even for a whole week, depending on how long Rosalina decides to reminisce.

[EpicGyllynn]

The comet stays for a while, but as proven in the intro to SMG1 they only celebrate the festival one night.

[Koopalmier]

Look again. In order, you see 3 pictures:
- One at night time, where the comet is in the sky and stuff is falling.
- One at day time, where Toads are holding Star Bits and a Grand Star.
- One at night time, where Toads are around the Grand Star. The game presumaly starts during that night.
So they celebrate it two nights.

[Vent]

That still doesn't explain why nobody in the second game remembers the events of the first game, so I'm still going with the "Rosalina reset the universe" theory.

[Koopalmier]

They do remember what happened during the Grand Finale Galaxy level, though.

[SMBBQ]

It could've been a parallel Mushroom Earth. Or it could have happened chronologically after SMG2. I dunno.

[kingkoopa]

Black Hole theory. It explains why only Rosalina and Mario remember. (Yes Mario did remember, he just doesn't talk so he couldn't say it.)