List of the powers of the characters

[SMBBQ]

There's no convincing you guys, is there?

[Koopalmier]

Only if you bring the Nazis and Jesus into the discussion and somehow get away with it.

More seriously, well, the Smash Bros. series is a different series for a reason.

[Artemendo]

I am ready to accept that all the characters in SSBB had a dream about this. All at once. But NOT that it actually happened.

[SMBBQ]

Well, it happened to their "Dream selves" in the same way SMB2 happened to Mario, Peach, Luigi, and Toad's "Dream selves". I guess you could say Link's Awakening happened to Link's "Dream self" (most likely the one from A Link to the Past)

My point is that characters from The Subspace Emissary will remember it all as a dream. The Smash World does exist, but so far down the Dimensional Axis that it only can be reached through dreams, like Subcon.

Make sense?

[Koopalmier]

Actually Subcon and Link's Dream World exist in the same place. The proof ? Wart.

So, you say Terra is the name of that Dream World, while Subcon is only a region ? Nice and all, but it doesn't matter then, considering it didn't happened outside of the Dream World. SMB2 and Link's Awakening still count because in the start / in the end, the real world is seen.

[Artemendo]

I think Wart was more of a cameo or maybe a hint for clever players to see that it's a dream, though that does make sense somewhat. It's weird how he appeared both in Mario's and in the Wind Fish's dream, though. New theory: the Wind Fish is Mario. Just kidding.

[kingkoopa]

Or Wart is some sort of dream wizard

[Koopalmier]

Or the next day (or before SMB2), Wart has another dream / nightmare where he finds himself in the Wind Fish's dream, like Link.

[EpicGyllynn]

I don't think they are Dreams, but I do agree with SMBMaster on this one! As I have discussed before, All(Or at least, Most) of the Universes in the Nintendo Multiverse are Connected in a Set Order. The World of Trophies exist between Realms, and thus, is similar to All. The Trophy thing is just for Show at the beginning(When Mario and Kirby Fight), but the Trophy Cannon explains the Rest! The Zoo, may be based on a Zoo from EarthBound, but is NOT one. And who says that Time in the World of Trophies flows the same as it does in other Realms? So Ness, Lucas, and Porkey could have left in completely different Times, but returned with no Time having passed. Of course, I have yet to SEE evidence that Mother 3 happens in the Distant Future, please post a Link.

[Sarisa]

We know that Mother 2 happened in 199X, and Mother 3 happened some unspecified but moderately long period after Mother 2. Exact chronology is fuzzed by lack of time gyros.

[Koopalmier]

Why must every Nintendo series be in a different realm anyway ? We already have prooves that the Mario, Kirby, Metroid, Pikmin and MOTHER series are in the same world (although it's less sure for the MOTHER series). The only series to do not fit in the equation are Kid Icarus and POKéMON (although Kid Icarus is probably in the "Overthere and Underwhere" dimension, and POKéMON may be in an alternate version of Earth).

[Artemendo]

Those "proofs" are very entertaining, but most are just references. A "proof" would be Kirby or Samus appearing as an actual, plot-relevant character in a Mario game. Samus sleeping in the palace bed or the beta coffee scenes in MLSS are just fanservicey references, that's all.

[Koopalmier]

Samus technically had a role in Kirby's Dream Land 3. The "proofs" I gave aren't about small cameos like Mario characters appearing in the crowd in Kirby Super Star Ultra. The Star Rods thing isn't just a cameo, a whole mission about Samus and Metroids in Kirby's Dream Land 3 isn't just a cameo, Star Bits appearing in a Zelda game isn't just a cameo (because a character would've been a much better cameo then). Plus those may be light proofs, but it's better than "everything is in a separate universe" - which as no proofs at all.

[SMBBQ]

Aug 18, 2010 15:24:59 GMT -5 EpicGyllynn said:

Of course, I have yet to SEE evidence that Mother 3 happens in the Distant Future, please post a Link.

Will do.

WARNING: This video contains spoilers. I warned ya.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gbyhmexlKU&feature=related This is taken from Chuggaaconroy's LP of MOTHER 3

That enough?

[Artemendo]

OK, here's my real reason for thinking the universes are separate: it cheapens Mario. It cheapens everything, it's like those comic books that know they're dying so they're getting some heroes from another universe and making them have adventures with their own lame heroes. The Mario and Zelda universes, or Metroid, or Kirby, all have different morals, different stories, different purposes, and mashing them into one big ball of mud is only good for those 13-year-old fans who like flashy moves and big explosions and comparing who's stronger. Bleh! Such a horrible idea!

[Koopalmier]

It's not because it's in the same dimension that it has to interact. I don't like cross-overs either.

[Artemendo]

This is why they're best kept separate completely. If Nintendo ever starts actively merging the series, the result will be the downfall of every partaking universe.

[SMBBQ]

The only cross-overs I like are Smash Bros. Games like Mario and Sonic, however, are born from pure greed. And not the awesome kind of greed seen in Wario Land games. I don't even think Sonic should've been in Brawl.

[EpicGyllynn]

Thanks, SMBMaster. Thats all I needed. But my Solution still stands. Unchallenged. So it doesn't much matter.

[Koopalmier]

Aug 18, 2010 16:54:25 GMT -5 Artemendo said:

This is why they're best kept separate completely. If Nintendo ever starts actively merging the series, the result will be the downfall of every partaking universe.

I repeat: it's not because they are in the same dimension that they need to merge or act on each other. The only times this somewhat happened were in Super Mario Galaxy (Olimar's ship) and Kirby's Dream Land 3 (Samus being on Pop Star - an unknow planet to her - makes sense, Kirby helps her and she quits the planet), both cases being unimportant. Oh, wait - would that mean they are in the same world ?

Really, it's not because they are in the same dimension that they must merge at a moment. Not only that, but each series is separated by billions of light-years at least. At least it gives a sense to the word "Nintendoverse".