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Post by kingkoopa on Aug 9, 2008 22:05:15 GMT -5
Are Mario Parties considered Canon or not because those games have interesesting stories
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Post by thedude3445 on Jan 23, 2009 19:01:07 GMT -5
The partying, no (except in MP8). The stories and new characters yes.
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 23, 2009 22:25:54 GMT -5
Well I finally get a reply
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Post by shadowgoomba on Jan 23, 2009 23:40:04 GMT -5
It's pure opinion. Not much we can say.
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 28, 2009 19:43:15 GMT -5
The actual events could be taking place in (as the sport games board says) the special world that only exists in the hub world that everyone rests in and has Smash Bros and Sports tourneys.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Apr 27, 2010 16:38:20 GMT -5
Is that the same special world from Super Mario World?
I'm not really sure if the Mario Party games are canon. Its not like the characters are going to get zapped into a board game, I mean.. come on.
As with the Smash Bros series, these aren't canon either as they contain characters from different universes.
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Post by kingkoopa on Apr 28, 2010 20:48:51 GMT -5
My opinion is that the Mario Parties take place in times when Peach hasn't been kidnapped and all of the Mario characters are really bored. Of course Bowser is the epic party crasher and always trys to ruin their fun.
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Post by shadowgoomba on Apr 30, 2010 8:51:31 GMT -5
That goes without saying.
A few of the games explain how they shrink, like MP3 and MPDS, so it's possible that similar things happened for the other games.
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Apr 30, 2010 18:17:47 GMT -5
I always thought that everyone was just trying to figure out amongst themselves who was the Super-Star (like in the first one), and it eventually evolved into this fun little get together they decided to hold every year.
Of course, Bowser always had to ruin everyone's good time, and what better way to do it than to just screw around with their childish little games instead of smashing them all into oblivion?
Amiright?
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Post by kingkoopa on Apr 30, 2010 19:04:57 GMT -5
Yeah I know what you are talking about. In the first game it was about who was the best. In the second it was about who would be the best by defeating Bowser. In the third one it was whoever got the Miracle Star to like them was the best. Fourth-Birthday Celebration. Fifth-Star Spirits need help in Dream Land. ((Which makes no since since only the Kirby Star Rod has to do with dreams, it is none of the Star Spirit's buisness if the dream world is invaded.)) Sixth-The sun and the moon are fighting. ((Apparently Kirby never stopped it)) Seventh- Vacation. Eighth-Carnival. Advance-You are trying to recover easy one-player minigames and gadgets. DS-OMG everyone haz shrunk.Now we need to find wierd puzzle pieces so that we can play a puzzle minigame  |
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Post by Vent on Aug 20, 2010 17:42:14 GMT -5
Let's go over this in greater detail:
MP1:
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Toad, Yoshi, DK and Wario (probably a crasher) all show up for a gathering and wind up having an argument about who's the biggest Superstar. They settle it by using the Warp Pipe to travel to different parts of the Mushroom Kingdom to gather Stars and fight off Bowser. The ending seems to imply that they all agreed that ALL of them can be Superstars.
MP2:
The game's entire plot is revealed to be a stage show at a theme park called Mario Land, which doesn't appear to have much relation to the Mario Land from SML2.
MP3:
The Millennium Star falls from the sky, so everybody decides to play a round of "Mario Party" (a popular Mushroom Kingdom board game?) to decide who gets to keep it. Then the Millenium Star transports them inside the toy chest and forces them all to compete in his tournament to decide who gets to become the Superstar. Bowser tries to sabotage it but gets overthrown by Waluigi. In the end, the "Millennium Star" is revealed to be a fraud, but the real one turns out to have been hiding inside Tumble's dice-head the entire time and promptly makes whichever character you chose (Luigi is heavily implied to be the default character) the "Superstar of the Universe", whatever that's worth. (my theory is that this led to the creation of the second Luigi in SMG, but I'll get to that later).
MP4:
Toad, Koopa Troopa, Boo, Shy Guy and Goomba (presumably the same ones we see in all the other Mario spin-offs) find the Party Cube, and decide to create an elaborate amusement area inside. They then proceed to invite Mario and the rest of the cast to party with them. The plot involves the birthday of whoever you chose (which could easily be disregarded as there's eight different possibilities) and Bowser coming in to sabotage it. In the end, the Party Cube flies away into the sky, never to be seen again.
MP5:
The Star Spirits (now referred to as "Star Guardians" for some reason) are apparently now in charge of a place called Dream Depot (no mention of Star Haven is ever made. I guess it sort of ties in with the whole wish-granting thing, since dreams can also be wishes) and apparently decide its a good idea to invite Mario and everyone else to go up there and stop Bowser and the Koopa Kids from ruining everybody's dreams. At least, that's basically the plot of the Story Mode. Nothing else in this game has any plot to speak of.
MP6:
The game's plot appears to take place within the Miracle Book that you fill up throughout the game, leading me to believe these events didn't actually happen. Further compounding this is the nature of the plot itself: apparently the Mario crew hangs around a place called "Mario Party World" and do nothing but party all day, and this place is governed by a sun and a moon named Brighton and Twila, respectively. The whole point of the game is to "settle their argument" by filling the Star Bank with stars, but there is no actual story mode nor is there any further reference to this in-game except for the aforementioned Miracle Book. Basically the same situation as MP2.
MP7:
Toadsworth thinks Mario needs a vacation, so he invites the crew on a global cruise (I guess Wario and Waluigi stowed away on-board). Bowser is apparently pissed about this so he sets out to ruin their vacation. Once again there's no story mode but Bowser appears all over the game repeatedly stating his motivation, so I guess that's good enough.
MP8:
Some guy named MC Ballyhoo shows up in the Mushroom Kingdom and starts the Star Carnival. He invites the Mario crew. Bowser comes along too. Blah blah blah no story mode. I wonder if by this point the Mario crew got sick of getting invited to shindigs and much as I did.
MPAdvance:
Toad invites Mario, Luigi, Peach and Yoshi to (yet another) amusement area called Party World (could it be the same place referred to in MP6's plot?) but Bowser shows up and wrecks the place, scattering all the mini-games and Gaddgets around (he really does love to crash people's parties doesn't he?). Pretty straightforward. Also features the return of Tumble, who last I checked was brought to life by the Millennium Star in MP3. Weird.
MPDS:
Bowser pretends to be a good guy and invites the Mario crew to a party of his own (Jesus Christ are they THAT gullible?). The whole thing turns out to be a trap to shrink them all to the size of ants (why didn't Bowser think of this sooner?). The crew must venture forth to collect the Sky Crystals, return themselves to normal, and stop Bowser. Not bad, but Mario should've known better than that.
I think it's safe to say that all of the Mario Party games are plausibly canon save for MP2 and MP6. MP3 is a tad weird with the whole "Superstar of the Universe" thing, but everything appears to be back to normal in the end, so maybe nobody remembers it. My theory is that Luigi earning the Millenium Star was the canon ending and it resulted in the creation of "Space Luigi" from SMG in his image. Or maybe not. I'm just rambling on here.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 20, 2010 20:30:25 GMT -5
I don't think Mario Party games are canon for multiple reasons though.
- The gameplay consists of Mario and co playing a life-sized board game. Where they go who-knows-where between every turn to participate in a mini-game where they try to kill each other. You could say that only the story and characters are canon, but most of the time there's no story and it'd mean the game's main part must be ignored.
- The games are extremely babyish. It doesn't fit with the usual Mario standard. There's a similar case with the Mario Soccer games, that are much more violent than the usual Mario standard. If Mario Strikers Charged isn't canon, why'd Mario Party 8 be canon either ?
- As you said, MP1 and MP3 are weird with the "Superstar" thing. Like if Mario and Luigi didn't saved the kingdom multiple times before. That can fit in the "too babyish" category though.
- The locations are plain illogical. A giant birthday cake ?
- When there's a story, there's a different canon depending of the character. Or else it'd mean everyone had its birthday at the same time in Mario Party 4.
- About Mario Party 4, the birtday presents representing the characters' house is... canon-destroying. So everyone has its own house ? Made of a single room ? Peach doesn't live in a castle anymore or what ?
- No mention of the Mini Bowsers outside of the MP games. There are hundreds of them, they could hardly be ignored if the party games were canon.
- Not even a mention of the party games in the main series or RPGs. Luigi does mention Mario Kart, Mario Tennis and Mario Golf in Paper Mario, but no Mario Party. He does talk about "parties" but the first - and only - Mario Party game to revolve around a party is Mario Party 4.
- I don't like them anyway. : |
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Post by Vent on Aug 20, 2010 22:17:50 GMT -5
I don't think Mario Party games are canon for multiple reasons though. - The gameplay consists of Mario and co playing a life-sized board game. Where they go who-knows-where between every turn to participate in a mini-game where they try to kill each other. You could say that only the story and characters are canon, but most of the time there's no story and it'd mean the game's main part must be ignored. It makes perfect sense in games like MP3 (took place in a toy chest), MP4 (the hosts built the boards), MP5 (its in a dream world), and MP8 (thats the way the Star Carnival is set up). I was mostly referring to the plots in my theories, but the mini-games are tad harder to explain away. Who said Strikers Charged isn't canon? The tone of the game is no reason to say it didn't happen. Those are the only two games that do that though, and in the case of MP1 I already mentioned that everybody decided that there WAS no true Superstar after all. .........you're kidding right? You could just say it was not anybody's birthday party, but just a regular party that the hosts decided to throw. There's nothing to indicate that those are the characters' actual houses. They're just little souvenir doll houses themed after each character. Simple. They're so incompetent Bowser only employs them whenever he decides to commit a petty scheme like ruining people's gatherings. I always thought he was referring to the first three MPs when he said that. You're really delving too deep into this. Perfect justification for expulsion from canon.  |
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 20, 2010 22:36:22 GMT -5
Why are you asking that ? The only other "giant cake and stuff and lolz" place is Toy Time Galaxy, far away in space. But I doubt such an aera could exist on Mushroom World.
We're on Mariology Forums. We take Mario games seriously. And every tiny detail counts as long as it makes sense.
Well, you have Mario being ultra aggresive, places in the Mushroom Kingdom being extremely chaotic and dangerous, Peach and Daisy "teasing" others, the characters being much more powerful than they are, um... I think that's all. Games that don't get the characters' right can hardly be canon.
yea i know rite
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Post by Vent on Aug 21, 2010 12:00:48 GMT -5
Yeah. Totally implausible for a GIANT CAKE to exist in a world with TALKING MUSHROOMS, GIANT FIRE-BREATHING TURTLES, LEAVES THAT TURN YOU INTO A RACCOON, FLOATING BLOCKS and..... BIRDO.
There's a limit to how seriously you can take things. Any further than this and you're just a crackpot.
Mario's always depicted as aggressive in sports games. The Mushroom Kingdom IS extremely chaotic and dangerous. Peach is known to be mischievous. Daisy is known to be obnoxious.
And....when the hell was it ever established that the characters are any less powerful than they are in Strikers? We already know Mario, Luigi, Wario, DK, Yoshi, Bowser and possibly Waluigi have ridiculous strength, and Peach (and presumably Daisy) have magical powers. The extent of their power is perfectly intact.
Near as I can see you just don't want to acknowledge the game's existence because you don't like it, which is utterly ridiculous.
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Post by cheat-master30 on Aug 21, 2010 12:28:43 GMT -5
Why are you asking that ? The only other "giant cake and stuff and lolz" place is Toy Time Galaxy, far away in space. But I doubt such an aera could exist on Mushroom World. So we can have a gigantic, man eating wedding cake called Bundt in the Mushroom Kingdom, but not a giant cake you can walk around on, when the latter could theoretically even be made in the real world. Real sense there. It's like the people complaining about floating Munchers who forget the floating blocks, floating platforms, and dancing cats. How's the first out of character? Mario is an individual, he can be as aggressive as he wants. The second... I really hope you're joking. Mushroom Kingdom NOT chaotic and dangerous? Lightning Lookout? Any place Bowser lives in? Is this not dangerous and chaotic? www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC1Tyd0m7m4Above: Apparent peace on Mushroom World. www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoALlyAsihkYou'll going to give an area where dice blocks decide fate but not Mario Strikers or Mario Party? www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF3QgMmga60Above: Makes sense to me! yea i know rite[/quote] Sigh. The Mushroom Kingdom, with giant mushrooms, floating blocks and platforms and everything have eyes, and a giant cake is illogical. So Fiery Cavern freezing over instantly makes sense and not this? A giant toy box with Shy Guys makes sense and not a giant cake? The part in Luigi's Mansion where suddenly the mansion vanishes and you end up in space, shooting stars to blow up the moon makes sense and not a giant cake? Argument really, really fails. Too 'babyish'? Yeah, that's a real good argument, reminds me of the people who'd say the same about whole series. They're called immature idiots (not you personally). Fairly possible you don't encounter them in the same way you only ever encounter limited amounts of other enemies and species in the series. How come you never encounter any of these after Paper Mario 2? Same thing.  There's no mention of various other 'canonical' games in the main series or RPGs, does that mean they never happened? Super Mario RPG hardly ever gets references for apparent legal issues, and Bowser's Inside Story doesn't reference Galaxy 2 or New Super Mario Bros Wii. LOL, bias. The Big Board from Wario Land 4. So just about like every other spinoff, right? Unless you think Mario Kart and Mario Tennis and what not are all pleasant civil entertainment. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENVl497dPWwOr if that fails, 'Battle Mode' |
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 21, 2010 17:23:38 GMT -5
Argument really, really fails. Sigh. That's not new. Now that I think about it, I wonder what's the point of me being here. Everything I say is nonsense, and I can't be convinced by other people because I'm too egostical and stubborn. I think I should stop posting crap and just look at new topics and posts. On-topic: um... you're right. |
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Post by cheat-master30 on Aug 21, 2010 17:36:14 GMT -5
Don't leave, we need someone to play devil's advocate! Because everyone else here... kinda agrees with a lot of stuff everyone else says, and arguments get rather dull otherwise.
Besides, you're a better Mario Galaxy 2 player than I am.
And yay, I'm right!
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Post by Vent on Aug 21, 2010 18:08:09 GMT -5
Alright look, Palimer. Putting yourself down ain't the way to go. You're not egotistical or stubborn. You just didn't argue that one point very well.
Everybody has to play a part. Stay behind.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 21, 2010 18:23:47 GMT -5
I didn't put myself down. I putted myself together. Why does everyone thinks I'm being negative ? And I like only thinking about myself and what I think, anyway.
This is off-topic, but I finally think Dr. Mario and the WarioWare series are canon. As for "Wario's planet", the canon ending of Wario Land may not be the best one, but the one where he "only" gets a castle instead. It makes more sense. I'm still doubtful about Mario Party and Mario vs. Donkey Kong, though.
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