Mario Timeline

[Claws]

I just wanted to start this thread to see what you guys think I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong on the Mario timeline on my site, if you've even read it. Anything you'd like to see changed?

[Kamikaze Koopa]

I'm a little unsure about some of the stuff you've got in there, mostly the stuff concering DK (of course ^_^), but also about the addition of such games as Tertris and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out to the timeline. It doesn't seem to me like they would fit in there, but then again, its your timeline so you can do whatever you want.

[Claws]

Well, I'm determined to include every game Mario has appeared in (no matter how difficult it is to fit them in) so that's why they're in there.

Do you have any suggestions as to where I should place them?

[Kamikaze Koopa]

I dunno, man. Cameos seem like they're only that: cameos. I mean, if we're taking Punch-Out into consideration as part of the Mario timeline, then we'd have to take Super Mario RPG as part of the Metroid and Zelda timelines. You see what I'm saying?

[Claws]

I'm aware of that, and I think it's fine. I like to think everything's connected anyway, and cameos serve to connect things further. If I were writing a Metroid timeline, I would include Galactic Pinball and Super Mario RPG.

[Kamikaze Koopa]

So wait, you're willing to include Zelda and Metroid into the Marioverse, but not DK? That just doesn't seem right.

[Claws]

What do you mean? DK's way more a part of the Marioverse than Zelda or Metroid. Are you talking about which dimensions each of the series take place in? I believe Mario resides in the Mushroom Dimension, DK lives in our dimension, the Zelda series took place either in our dimension or in yet another one, and I'm not sure about Metroid, but I'm thinking it will occur in ours.

When I speak of a "universe," I'm talking about everything that is somehow related to a certain game series. For example, the events of the Zelda games are a part of the Marioverse because we have seen that the two series acknowledge each other as having occurred. Another example, the DC Comics universe. A universe is not a physical thing (well, it is, but not in this sense of the word).

A "dimension" is a plane of existence; therefore, the Mushroom Dimension is a separate plane of existence from our dimension that intersects our dimension at various points. It is an alternate timeline and physical universe.

This is how I interpret the above terms. Just thought I'd clear that up.

[Kamikaze Koopa]

lol Where'd all that come from?

I was just confused because it seemed like you were including Zelda and Metroid into the Mario dimension because of they're two lone cameos, but not DK. But I appear to have misunderstood, so don't worry about it; my fault.

Now the real question is: How did Link and Samus show up in those cameos?

[Claws]

Well, we've seen how Link sometimes visits other dimensions (I think Termina was an alternate dimension), so I'd say he either came to Mario's dimension on purpose to stop some evil--which is why he came to our dimension in Soul Caliber 2--or to find some rare item. Perhaps he knows of a dimensional tear or portal that allows him to get to these places. Or he could've just stumbled upon a route on accident.

Samus could've possibly found some cosmic tunnel to other dimensions, or maybe in her time they have been able to regulate transdimensional travel. I'm not sure. What do you think?

[Kamikaze Koopa]

I have no idea. The only reason I consider their appearances canon at all is because you do. Honestly, I'd rather not acknowledge them. BUT, if I must, Link probably pulled the same stunt for SMRPG that he did in Soul Calibur 2. Samus, on the other hand, is way beyond me. The fact that she was resting in Peach's castle leads me to believe that she either forced her way in for some reason, or was discovered by the Chancellor and allowed to stay.

However! I'm probably say that the person in SMRPG wasn't actually Samus, but just some nut who dressed up like her and broke into Peach's castle. Heck, maybe it was even Booster. After all, he had a Samus toy in his toy chest so he obviously knew of the character, and he was obsessed with Peach so that would be good reason for him to break into the castle. *shrug* I dunno, I hate trying to explain away cameos.

[Claws]

Yeah, they're surely awkward.

Maybe, though, the Samus doll was based on the real Samus. How would anyone know what she looked like unless they had seen her? So maybe it really was her.

[Kamikaze Koopa]

But why would anybody make a toy out of her unless she was well known? And if she were that well known, then we surely would have heard about her or seen her before hand.

My theory is; they obviously have videogames and such in the Marioverse. Chances are, Metroid is just another series that exists in their world. OR! Perhaps the toy is actually from Earth, and somehow found its way into the Marioverse via...somebody.

[Claws]

I like your second theory. Who do you think brought it?

[Kamikaze Koopa]

No idea. Perhaps one of Booster's guests/victims?

[Claws]

I was playing Super Smash Bros. Melee today, and I realized that after Zebes explodes the combatant is flown to Popstar, which seems fairly close by. Regardless of whether SSBM really took place, I think their representations of locations are probably accurate. So since Kirby is theorized to be in the Mushroom Dimension, this probably means the Metroid series takes place in Mario's dimension. This seems odd to me; what do you think?

[Kamikaze Koopa]

That seems highly unlikely. Another reason that I say Smash Bros didn't actually happen; or if it did, it took place in the character's dreams. After all, those seem to be the only other places where the characters interact. For example: *spoilers*

Samus and some Metroids appear in a Kirby game (I forget which one), which takes place in Dreamland; a number of Super Mario enemies appear in Link's Awakening (including goombas, piranha plants, cheep-cheeps, and even a Wart lookalike named Mamu) which turned out to be a dream at the end of the game; and Master Hand and Crazy Hand appear in another Kirby game (once again, I forget which one). Also remember that SMB2 took place in the dream world of Subcon, and Wart's look-alike appeared in Link's dreams in Link's Awakening.

[Claws]

But wouldn't Samus's and some Metroids' appearances support the Smash Bros. theory? Just because the land is called Dreamland doesn't mean everything that happens there is a dream.

And sorry about the long absence; my internet isn't connected at home, and it won't be until the fifteenth.

[philzero]

8-)great timeline claws love it keep up the hard work

[Claws]

Thanks, man.

[L.D.]

can you give me the link to the site