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Post by kingkoopa on Sept 25, 2010 20:22:56 GMT -5
And then they never kicked them again... or went out of their shells on purpose for that matter
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Post by Sarisa on Sept 25, 2010 23:15:21 GMT -5
Perhaps because a Koopa without his shell is a Koopa likely to be severely injured?
A Koopa who just hunkers down in his shell is going to be shaken when kicked but he'll recover fast enough to be deployed in the next world. A Goomba, or a Koopa out of his shell, is going to suffer some spinal injury and take a while in the hospital recovering.
I suppose it seemed like a good idea at the time, but once Bowser got the report on how much of his force had to be invalided home, even he knew it was a bad idea.
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Post by Your Buddy Bill on Sept 30, 2010 12:53:55 GMT -5
Good point, how does Bowser pay all the insurance costs and/or hospital bills? Ah well. And only Blue Koopas in SMW kicked shells. They also looked different when outside their shells. They might have stronger spines, so they assumed they didnt need to worry if Mario came along. They were wrong.
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Post by Koopalmier on Sept 30, 2010 13:29:17 GMT -5
I don't think many people of the Koopa army go to the hospital. They rather get killed. Throwing an enemy in lava (SMW, NSMB, NSMBW) or making it fall into a black hole (SMG, SMG2) has the same effect as stomping it.
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Post by kingkoopa on Sept 30, 2010 19:47:52 GMT -5
Jumping on enemies actually doesn't kill them but beats them up. I thin I remember that in Thousand Year Door there where these three goombas that you fight in Rougeport Sewers that when you beat them, it would show them in the overworld running away.
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 1, 2010 5:31:29 GMT -5
Other enemies die though, as they aren't seen anymore after being beaten. The battle system isn't really canon.
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Post by Your Buddy Bill on Oct 1, 2010 11:52:11 GMT -5
Actually, I figure they are defeated, but not gone for good. They just teleport off to who-knows-where to regenerate. It gives the illusion of a seemingly endless supply of minions. Maybe they really do die, but Bowser has a large department of Magikoopas who's only job is healing minions. As I recall, PMTTYD's White Magikoopas were well suited to the task.
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Post by kingkoopa on Oct 1, 2010 22:18:25 GMT -5
I would think that they run away or hide after they are defeated.
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Post by Your Buddy Bill on Oct 1, 2010 23:56:28 GMT -5
yeah, someethin like that.
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 2, 2010 4:28:50 GMT -5
Super Mario Bros. says you eliminate them though, and an anonymous Koopa wrote on the back of the info sign in Toad Town, in Paper Mario, "What Mario does to all those Koopas is horrible! He should feel shameful!" or something like that.
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Post by Your Buddy Bill on Oct 4, 2010 12:43:50 GMT -5
The SMB manual also says that brick blocks and ? blocks are mushroom people transformed by the Koopas' black magic. I am not even kidding you. And severely injuring people is horrible, too. Maybe even more than just killing them, but that would start a whole mercy killing debate, so please, don't go there.
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Post by SMBBQ on Oct 4, 2010 15:25:48 GMT -5
We've had one of those before anyway.
So, do we agree that Bullet Bills, Torpedo Teds, and the like are just technology?
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 4, 2010 15:27:22 GMT -5
You know, what happens is that when Mario breaks a block, he frees a Toad who rewards him with a power-up (in SMB, that's it). The game simply doesn't show a cutscene of it because it'd slow down your pace and it'd have been a waste of time anyway.
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Post by Vent on Oct 4, 2010 21:49:18 GMT -5
Except the newer games clearly show the boxes to just be containers that hold items. Seeing how the SMB manual is the ONLY thing that ever refers to the blocks being transformed Mushroom Kingdom residents I think it's safe to say that was retconned out.
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Post by Your Buddy Bill on Oct 5, 2010 11:53:08 GMT -5
As was just about everything else in the manual. Black magic? MAYBE magikoopas, but those didnt appear until SMW, and Kamek did appear in YI and... wait, im confusing myself. Anyways, even then, most brick blocks didnt even hold anythng, so... Mario would have been slaying people for no reason. Yeah, they retconned it all out.
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Post by Your Buddy Bill on Oct 5, 2010 11:57:29 GMT -5
Oh, and I figure that Bills are a type of creature called 'Living Constructs', which may be familiar to those of you who play D&D. They are created, but then imbued with unique life through a magical ritual. Of course, some versions are likely more mechanical than others, with varying degrees of sentience. One with full sentience is found in Mario Party Advance, as a track star, and will give a gaddget if beaten in a race.
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Post by kingkoopa on Oct 5, 2010 16:39:08 GMT -5
However the rest just seem to be emotionless kamikaze bombs
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Oct 5, 2010 18:26:44 GMT -5
Except in the Paper Mario series, seeing as how they're treated the same as regular enemies and even take turns in battle.
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Post by SMBBQ on Oct 5, 2010 20:04:25 GMT -5
The battle system isn't canon though...
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Post by Vent on Oct 5, 2010 20:32:36 GMT -5
Well theoretically it could be. Things like the audience probably aren't.
The only other times the Bills have been portrayed as truly alive are in M&L, where the Sniper Bill enemy can wield a Super Scope, and in Mario Party 5-7 where you can ride on the Bullet Bill like an animal.
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