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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Feb 28, 2005 19:21:14 GMT -5
Well, Claws and I have already debated the location of the Donkey Kong Country games in regards to whether or not they take place in the Marioverse. I firmly believe that they do, if only because of one piece of evidence: Mario Vs. Donkey Kong. In the beginning of the game DK is in his home (shown at the beginning of DKC) and is watching TV. Only the TV stations are obviously from the Mushroom Kingdom (they show a shyguy reading the news and commercials for the Mini-Marios). And then, DK is able to very quickly make his way to Twilight City to raid the Mini-Mario factory. That, along with the great deal of cross-overs, leads me to believe that the DC universe and the Mario universe are one in the same.
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Mar 1, 2005 13:24:28 GMT -5
This may be true. However, in the DKC series, technology was still somewhat backwards. Recent years have show leaps and Bounds in MK and Kremling tech, and as a direct result of such, have begun to encroach upon DK territory. Endangered species laws prevent them from heading out much further. Bananas are a high-yield crop, so it's not too surprising. DK can't be that far away from info-age MK cities.
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Post by Claws on Mar 1, 2005 19:31:57 GMT -5
My argument hinges on the very different styles of the two characters' worlds. DK lives in a very realistic jungle setting, something you could expect to see here in our dimension. Everything in the games is something from the real world--besides the talking animals. And if you want to argue against me on the basis of that point, that means you are also debating the dimensional location of things such as Garfield, Family Guy, and other continuities that exist in our dimension but contain things not scientifically sound. It's just one of those things you have to accept. Talking, intelligent apes and crocodiles live in our dimension. Once you get past that, there really isn't anything in the DKC games as outlandish or totally unacceptable for our dimension as the core elements in the Mario games. We know such things as Toads, Warp Pipes, floating boxes containing items, and a major world power made up of warlike mutant turtles could never exist in our dimension--they're exclusive to the Mushroom Dimension. Also, consider the normal form of monkeys in the Mushroom Dimension. The cartoonish monkeys in Yoshi's Island and Super Mario 64 were completely different in style from the Kongs, who sport a more realistic look. And look at Big Ape City. Big Ape City is the city in which Donkey Kong Arcade and the first world of Donkey Kong '94 take place. You may be saying, "Hey! That was New York!" Well, if Donkey Kong Land didn't exist, I would agree with you. But in that game, the last world is an information-age city called Big Ape City. It's obvious that the developers intended this to be the legendary city where Mario and DK Sr. had their first encounter because of the girder levels that are obviously supposed to be the girders Mario and DK Sr. fought on--they look identical to the old ones. So this means that the Arcade games took place on Donkey Kong Island. Am I rocking the boat too hard? Well, I'm not done yet. Look at the style of Big Ape City (our best view of it being the one presented in DK'94). It has very New York-esque architecture. Now look at Mushroom City and Twilight City, known Mushroom Kingdom cities. They have a more cartoonish, round, and colorful look to them. And the bit about DK's house being in the Mushroom Dimension? I don't think that was his house. The only houses of DK's that we've seen have not had a TV or a couch. So this could mean he was in another house not on his island. I reason that DK probably has a vacation house in the Mushroom Dimension that he uses as his base of operations during such events as kart racing and the many tennis and golf tournaments. So DK was probably staying in this house at the time of his viewing the brain-warping commercial.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 1, 2005 21:34:45 GMT -5
I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just going by Occam's Razor (whatever answer is the simplest and most plausible tends to be the true one). In my opinion it would just be too farfetched for DK to have two seperate houses in two seperate universes as opposed to him just redecorating a single one. And in regards to the architecture of Big Ape City as being very New York-ish, you might want to look at Diamond City from the Wario Land series (specifically the intro of Wario Land 4). It doesn't get much more New York-ish than that ^_^.
And in case I'm mistaken, the place of the original Donkey Kong/ Donkey Kong '94 in the Nintendo timeline was replaced by Donkey Kong GameBoy which ends with Mario using a Super Mushroom and a Warp Pipe to dispose of Donkey Kong; two traits that are mostly restricted to the Marioverse with the exception of some very rare Warp Pipes leading to the Marioverse from the real world (although the only known one of these Warp Pipes is in the sewers under Brooklyn).
Plus, in regards to the wildlife on DK Island being too "realistic" for the Marioverse, just compare some of the enemies of the DKC series to the enemies from Mario RPG. Some of them tend to look pretty realistic. And look at the vultures that make frequent appearences in the Mario series, don't they look suspiciously like Necky's?
And then there is, of course, the indisputable evidence of the Chained Kongs, Guerillas, Frogogs, and the Ribbites from Mario RPG.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 1, 2005 22:20:38 GMT -5
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 2, 2005 15:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by Claws on Mar 2, 2005 19:01:30 GMT -5
I think the DK GB ending supports my argument. In the game, up until that cutscene, it's obvious we've been on DK Island. But when that cutscene appears, we've suddenly changed location. No longer are we among the unspoiled natural cliffs (besides the quaint cobblestones) of the Rocky-Valley area of DK Island. Now we're on a brick-covered plain scattered with floating boxes and green pipes. Definitely meant to signify entrance into Mario's world, and, according to the website Donkey Kong Universe, a new dimension.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 4, 2005 20:52:32 GMT -5
I don't really think that means anything. I mean, Earth isn't the only place with nice mountain ranges and beautiful backgrounds. The Mushroom Kingdom has been shown the have them too, and probably in more abundance because there isn't as much pollution and there's far less company globalization.
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Post by Claws on Mar 6, 2005 15:42:29 GMT -5
All I know is that DK Island and the traditional Mushroom Kingdom landscape are portrayed as stark contrasts, and that the website that got me into debating continuity argued that they were in two different dimensions. (So perhaps there is some nostalgic bias on my part concerning this issue.)
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Post by Yoshi Master on Apr 14, 2005 14:56:36 GMT -5
Do you write this stuff with a dictionary next to you or somthing?
Kids come to this site yah know.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Apr 14, 2005 15:48:20 GMT -5
I don't see what the landscape has to do with anything. I mean, there have been a huge multitude of environments in the Mario games that look nothing alike. For example, take a look at Delphino Island and then look at Dark Land.
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Post by Yoshi Master on Apr 14, 2005 16:07:15 GMT -5
Yeah they don't look alike.  I have no idea whats goin on. |
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Post by Claws on Apr 18, 2005 6:54:33 GMT -5
Do you write this stuff with a dictionary next to you or somthing? Actually, I do. I look up words on TheFreeDictionary.com whenever I need a big one or when I'm not sure about spelling. Yeah, but Delphino Island was still populated by crazy, weird characters while Donkey Kong Island was inhabited by more conservatively designed, less unbelievable characters. These were characters that looked like they were real animals slightly mutated, not entirely new creatures. |
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on May 28, 2005 19:37:04 GMT -5
New proof that the DK locations are in the Marioverse. In Super Mario Strikers (the new Mario soccer game) you can see that Kremlings play a part in the game. The entry for the game on Gamespot has a couple screenshots that show Kremlings playing as goalies. This further convinces me that Nintendo intended for DK Island and other DK locations to be part of the Marioverse. I'll post more on this as it comes.
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Post by Yoshi Master on May 28, 2005 23:38:04 GMT -5
Remember, SM Stikers is a sports game, thus the content is questionable.
Kremlins also appeared in the new tennis game, uh... Mario Power Tennis or somthing.
Kamikaze, what new proof that the DK locations are in the Marioverse?
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on May 29, 2005 0:33:31 GMT -5
Hmmm, I suppose I have forgotten the possibility that they could warp between worlds.
Oh by the way, I wanted to bring something to everybody's attention. If we are to take the sports games seriously, then Donkey Kong, Banjo-Kazooie, and the Conker games would all be interlinked. And I'm not sure if people want to associate Super Mario with Conker's Bad Fur Day.
I suppose this also proves that my previous point is now void. Sorry about the waste of space. ^_^()
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Post by Yoshi Master on May 29, 2005 9:54:25 GMT -5
Conker...
How the fudge are those worlds connected in ANY way? You wasted precious time because I had to rant on you. RANT RANT RANT!!!.
Don't even give me an explanation I don't wanna hear it!
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on May 29, 2005 10:41:48 GMT -5
Diddy Kong Racing, my friend. All those characters are from Diddy Kong Racing.
If we consider the Mario Kart, Mario Party, and other Extended Universe games as canon, then we have to include Diddy Kong Racing in there too. It's been widely accepted that DK is part of the Mario timeline (not necissarily the Marioverse itself, but at least the timeline). And if we take the Extended Universe Mario games into consideration, then we also have to take the Extended Universe DK games into consideration. Thus making Banjo and Conker somewhat loosely linked to the Marioverse, even if only through warp pipe travel.
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Post by Yoshi Master on May 30, 2005 10:56:14 GMT -5
Um... but how is Banjo and Conker related to DK?
Besides being made by Rare?
I consider the sport games to have happened in some way.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on May 30, 2005 12:16:18 GMT -5
I just said it, Diddy Kong Racing. All those characters originated in Diddy Kong Racing which, as you know, stars Diddy Kong as the "main" character. And Diddy Kong is DK's second banana (pun intended ^_^).
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