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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Feb 28, 2005 18:10:52 GMT -5
I have a simple question. Why is Bowser always capturing peach? If it were a simple vendetta against mario, wouldn't he go after the plumber himself? I personally suspect that there's somehing of a chemistry between Peach and Bowser, and she plays the victim so that he can keep his image of being a cold-hearted King of Evil. It does seem logical when you consider his obsession with the princess. Bowser won't tell his minions because they may be interrogated/converted by Mario and the Mushroom kingdom. Thoughts?
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Feb 28, 2005 18:24:12 GMT -5
I've always figured that he was doing it simply for political purposes. Either completely take over the Mushroom Kingdom or marry the current ruler and gain control that way. Although it's been presented in Super Mario RPG that Bowser actually has feelings for Peach in some form or another.
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Feb 28, 2005 18:37:07 GMT -5
But there's a hitch... Princess peach is just that. A princess. Therefore, she doesn't have complete control or authority over MK. In PM1, I think she's just playing games. In PM2, Bowser calls peach (and images) by affectionate names, and reveals an innate desire for her. Peach couldn't e-mail Bowser, because he... Has no E-mail, and had to rely on the plumber to bail her out. Then there's the question of actual detention. Example: if Bowser is trying to coerce Peach into marrying him, why put her in such posh and spacious quarters, and not a true jail cell with the whole 9 yards? She's been having a lot of spunk lately, and I find it difficult to beleive that she could be coerced by simple imprisonment.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Feb 28, 2005 18:45:39 GMT -5
Hmmm, I see your point. However, in regards to Peach being only a princess, I believe she's not yet queen because she has not yet gone through the necessary coronation ceremony. Perhaps it's because she's not married, or not of the right age, or any number of reasons that may contribute to her only being a princess. I can only speculate.
In terms of Bowser having feelings for Peach, it is pretty much a fact at this point. I think he may have had political intentions behind the scheme at first, but they soon evolved into more romantic feelings. After all, in the original games she was kept in a true jail cell. Over a pit of lava, even. But of course, by the later games she has become an object of affection as opposed to power.
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Feb 28, 2005 18:56:50 GMT -5
I don't find it odd that Peach was above Lava in SMB1, as the entire castle was situated on lava.(never beat the game all the way through, so can't fight the jail cell thought) However, in SMB3 (or at least the All-stars version) the room seemed impossibly huge, implying that it was not a true prison in the conventional use of the term.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Feb 28, 2005 19:11:30 GMT -5
Here's the ending for SMB1. (spoilers) www.vgmuseum.com/end/snes/a/smaw_1.htmAnd just because it's a large room doesn't mean it wasn't meant to hold her like a prison. After all, I don't see a bed or even anywhere for her to sit. Just four walls and a floor (and ceiling). Or maybe, he was in the middle of an interogation (or something else) when Mario broke in and interupted. |
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Mar 1, 2005 0:39:08 GMT -5
Simply because they props are off-stage doesn't mean that they don't exist. There's also the point that she MAY HAVE been able to walk freely about, And Bowser puts her in there for safekeeping during times of intrusion. SMB1, I'll admit, is a prison in any way I can dissect it.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 1, 2005 0:50:24 GMT -5
Very true. I'm not necessarily saying that Peach was being held prisoner in the third game, I'm only trying to explore more possiblities. You might be completely right and by the time SMB3 rolled around Bowser had already developed feelings for Peach.
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Mar 4, 2005 0:34:50 GMT -5
The question that follows then, is does Peach have feelings for bowser? She has to play the victim in order for Bowser to appear to capture her. I'm also suspiscious(SP?) as to why peach hasn't upped the security of her castle, considering the propensity for the koopa clan's raids.
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Post by Claws on Mar 4, 2005 7:55:13 GMT -5
I don't really think she has affection for him. I mean, Paper Mario let us see behind the scenes of one of Peach's incarcerations, and nothing Peach did towards Bowser seemed very incriminating in this respect. I think she's very ditzy, for one thing. And another--Toads are no match for Koopas, and Mario can't be at her castle all the time. So I think she hopes for the best and crosses her fingers.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 4, 2005 20:29:41 GMT -5
I'm relatively sure that Peach doesn't feel anything other than contempt towards Bowser, and in agreement with Taku ,she does seem to a little bit on the "blonde side", if you know what I mean. One thing I've come to notice is that the Mushroom Kingdom doesn't seem to have any form of upstanding military, aside from a few watchmen standing guard at Toad Town's entrances, so I think she doesn't really have the resources to up the security of her castle at all. In any case, no I don't think Peach has feelings for Bowser.
Hmmm, I feel a new thread coming on...
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Mar 4, 2005 20:31:31 GMT -5
that may have been a special case. Bowser could have easily "wished" that peach would love him or not want to leave, but oddly enough he didn't. I think the Bowser and Peach were having a spat because of the damage that Bowser did to the landscape and Castles. to the best of my knowledge, that's the only time that we got to see behind the scenes.
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Post by Yoshi Master on Mar 30, 2005 11:47:23 GMT -5
Peach and Bowser have absolutly no relationship.
Bowser tends to think what it would be like if Peach liked him and Peach hates his guts.
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Mar 30, 2005 13:47:38 GMT -5
Simply stating it doesn't make it true, YoshiMasta. If you could back your opinion up with something, I'd be satisfied.
i personally think that their relationship is may just be budding. Sure the inital captures were power plays, but lately he seems to become soft for her. In fact, he's actually tried to DEFEND the princess a couple times, as well as go after Mario directly. I'll re-iterate that Peach may be dull, but she'd have to dumb as a brick to think she had a child and didn't know it. (SMS) In the ending cinematic of SMS, bowser neither denies nor confirms that Peach is actually BJ's mom.
Perhaps this idea may be expanded upon in SM128. Mostly, I just want fireballs to return.
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Post by Claws on Mar 30, 2005 20:16:04 GMT -5
I don't know. Peach sure has shown a lot of affection towards Mario. Check out the numerous times she's kissed him. I think there's something going on there.
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Post by Yoshi Master on Mar 30, 2005 20:56:01 GMT -5
Of course Mario and Peach have a relationship! ( early and last scenes in PM, after you beat Bowser in SMB, SMB3, SMW, SM64, SMS, ect. ect.) Bowser says Peach isn't Bowser Jr's mom in the end of SMS! What are you talking about! As for Bowser he thinks Peach is cute and wishes she likes him only because of her looks! I think sombody here needs a girlfriend. ... Hmm, wait...me....  |
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Jul 21, 2005 21:44:00 GMT -5
I'm curious as to why Bowser would be attracted to a member of a seperate species. A species so different from his own, for that matter.
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Post by Claws on Jul 25, 2005 18:57:45 GMT -5
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. But maybe the human female is beautiful to all sentient creatures.
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Post by Yoshi Master on Jul 25, 2005 19:12:16 GMT -5
Peach is hot. Period.
Peach has never in absolutly anything ever shown any sign of affection at all towards Bowser in anyway.
Bowser likes Peach cus she's fine. It's a hopeless cause for Bowser to do anything nice to Peach to get her affection.
Bowser wishes Peach liked him.
Peach likes Mario.
You can't possibly contradict this.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Jul 25, 2005 21:56:09 GMT -5
I'm not contradicting it, I'm just saying it's odd.
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