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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Feb 23, 2005 20:06:16 GMT -5
I think this is one of the most hotly debated topics when it comes to Mariology. The basis of the question is: how technologically advanced are the races of the Marioverse? In the first game (SMB) it seems as though both the Mushroom Kingdom as well as the Koopa Klan where in a form of medival/renaissance of sorts. But as the series progressed, it became apparent that the kingdoms, at least the Koopa Klan, were more advanced that originally thought, being able to build their infamous Doomships, an entire legion of tanks, and an armada of sea ferring vessels in SMB3. Not to mention the types of weapons that they had developed (i.e. cannons, flamethrowers, ect). Continuing even more forward, however, it appeared that the Mushroom Kingdom had advanced beyond the dark ages as well, developing jet engines, automobiles, and even bringing rise to at least two known Information Age cities: Mushroom City, and Twilight City. It is uknown whether or not Diamond City from the Wario series is part of the Mushroom Kingdom or not. But it doesn't stop there! In M&L: SS, when inside Woohoo Hooniversity, we see a myriad of technological advancements made by the Beanbean Kingdom including robotics, laser technology, computers, and even what appears to be forms of gene therapy. Now one question I have personally asked myself repeatedly is "how did they develop such technology in such a short amount of time?" Did they simply have the assistance of very intelligent members of the species? Did the Mushroom Kingdom gain their technology from treaties with the Beanbean Kingdom? Does Professor Gadd have something to do with this  ? Well, here's you're chance to discuss it. ^_^ |
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Feb 25, 2005 17:17:43 GMT -5
Ok, in that case I'll just tell my theory on the whole scenario. I think that when Mario and Luigi first arrived in the Mushroom Kingdom they were in a medival era. However, when the Mario bros came into the pitcure they began to explain technology to all of the governments and, in affect, bringing about a sort of industiral revolution. Considiring the industriusness of the toads and the other races, they were able build entire cities and expand upon less advanced forms of technology in a matter of a few years. This process was also aided by Professor Elvin Gadd, although I'm not sure whether he was born in the Marioverse or whether he came through from the real world like the Mario brothers did, and if so, I'm not sure whether he was there before them or whether he came in afterwards. In any case, taking into account the ingenuity of Professor Gadd and the teachings of the Woohoo Hooniversity the technology was able to spread in an extremely short amount of time.
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Post by Claws on Feb 28, 2005 7:58:27 GMT -5
This would make sense. And the towns that are still medieval in nature are probably towns where the technology hasn't spread, or where it has been rejected. But the residents still keep and use vestiges of their old society, such as the castles.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Feb 28, 2005 17:47:10 GMT -5
Yes, exactly. I've actually begun comparing the economy and environments of the Marioverse to that of Final Fantasy VII. They use both large cities as well as small rural villages AND they have magic and technology combined in a single universe. I think we have a good analogue going there. ^_^
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Post by TakuTheSamurai on Feb 28, 2005 18:04:24 GMT -5
It does seem odd taht the tech advancement is prone to... shall we say... Bursts? It is my idea that MK society has finally overcome social taboos regarding the use of seemingly alien technology. Mario & Luigi are harbringers of this great advancement, obviously. As for the Koopas, I beleive they captured adn/or converted a number of MK denizens, and added their technology to their own, but remaing in the somewhat cramped style of Medival castles/fortresses.
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Post by Claws on Mar 1, 2005 18:19:05 GMT -5
It also adds to their viciousness. Recall the lack of foreboding that the X-Nauts had compared to that of the Koopa Klan and their deadly castles. They definitely have the technology; Kamikaze pointed out their many advancements in military technology, a form of Post-industrial age progress that doesn't lose its atrocity in the translation to modern. So in keeping with the rugged, medieval image when it comes to their society and government, they serve to preserve their barbarity.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 1, 2005 21:16:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I have yet to play PM: TTYD so I don't have any stand point on the X-Nauts.
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Post by Claws on Mar 2, 2005 7:50:17 GMT -5
Well, they're very technologically advanced. This appearance, however, keeps them from being as intimidating as the Koopa Klan. And if you can, you reallly should play PM: TTYD, Kamikaze. It's the best Mario title out.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 2, 2005 7:55:49 GMT -5
I would if I had the time/money. Right now I'm spending everything I have of both on school and food. ^_^()
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Post by Claws on Mar 2, 2005 18:50:16 GMT -5
Yeah, right now I'm paying for a fender bender ($600!!) I committed a month ago. Luckily, I bought Paper Mario before all of this happened, so I'm currently enjoying it.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 2, 2005 23:39:36 GMT -5
lol, Lucky dog. About the game, not the fender bender. Hmmm, I hadn't really considered that the Koopas were keeping their medival image simply to seem more threatening. That's definately something worth noting. |
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Post by Claws on Mar 3, 2005 18:25:44 GMT -5
Well, I can't think of any other reason why they would. Upgrading all of their facilities and living quarters would definitely make life easier for them.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 4, 2005 20:39:01 GMT -5
I guess we also have to keep in mind that the Koopa Klan is under the tyrannical rule of Bowser, and he probably wants the keep them in discomfort simply to make it easier to bend them to his will. Although, I'm surprised there hasn't been an insurrection yet.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 6, 2005 21:56:29 GMT -5
I just had an epiphany! What if all the technology that suddenly sprouted out of nowhere wasn't actually developed, so much as found? What I'm saying is that, since you all probably already know my stance on the origins of warp pipes, what if the same race who built the pipes had built cities and machines as well? What if all the advanced technology that has suddenly been employed through out the Marioverse is actually a result of excavations of these cities and machines?
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Post by Claws on Mar 7, 2005 10:56:19 GMT -5
I think that's a possiblility. But I think that once they found the derelict technology and cities, they learned its architecture and began developing their own. Look at how lively Mushroom City is. I think they'd have to know what they're doing to keep the place that vital.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 7, 2005 18:05:59 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely. I'm not saying that they're just using what they found, I'm saying they learned from it and started to create their own machinery using the ancient sciences. Plus, given the fact that Mario and Luigi are from Earth, they might know just a little bit more about the tech than the rest of the Mushroom World does, thus giving them even more of a jump start.
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Post by Claws on Mar 8, 2005 15:42:35 GMT -5
Yeah, we know the Mario Bros. were skilled carpenters, plumbers, and construction workers (Mario even being a doctor), so I'm sure they helped get the information age going in the Mushroom Dimension.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 22, 2005 22:24:07 GMT -5
Or at least a civilization like it.
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Post by Kamikaze Koopa on Mar 31, 2005 13:14:05 GMT -5
lol, I'm not the only one who can make new threads. If you want to make a new thread about it, go right ahead.
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Post by Yoshi Master on May 3, 2005 14:14:48 GMT -5
The humans already in the Mushroom World contributed information on inventions.
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