Post by Koopalmier on May 16, 2013 16:58:37 GMT -5
Simple question, but still harder than it seems.
Several Mario games have maps. But some of them share locations, and some others are given a location in relaiton to another area. So, logically, it shouldn't be impossible to have all maps merge together.
So we got:
- Super Mario Bros. 3: Parts of Grass Land, Desert Hill, Seaside, Giant Island, The Sky, Iced Land, Pipe Maze and Bowser's Castle. Super Mario Advance 4 additionaly has a map showing all these areas (together making the Mushroom World, which is NOT the name of Mario's planet, thank you Mario Wiki).
The Mushroom World is supposed to neightbor the Mushroom Kingdom (which is also supposedly part of it).
- Super Mario World: Yoshi's Island (Yoster Island in Japanese, I'll just refer to it that way) as well as the rest of Dinosaur Land (including the Donut Plains, Vanilla Dome, Twin Bridges, Forest of Illusion, Chocolate Island, Valley of Bowser, Star World and Special Zone).
Bowser has a castle in Valley of Bowser, but it's never directly called "Bowser's Castle" and it's likely to be nothing more than a temporary castle.
- Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins: Mario Land, an amusement park "governed" by Mario, that Wario took over. There isn't really much to say, it's just an island with several themed attractions (turned into dangerous landscapes by Wario). No official word on where it is or how did Mario obtain it.
- Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island: Yoshi's Island (Yoshi Island is the Japanese name and it seems to be separate from Yoster Island, I'll call it Yoshi Island to avoid confusion) for the first 5 worlds, what seems to be Bowser's Castle for the sixth. It should be noted that Bowser's Castle seems to be on its own area, and there are mushrooms around, making it similar to its SMB3 appearance.
- Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars: Mushroom Kingdom, introducing the Mushroom Castle (aka Peach's Castle), Bowser's Keep (er, I mean Castle), Star Hill (read: Shooting Star Summit) and Yoster Island. It's mainly areas to the south and west of Peach's Castle.
Bowser's Castle is now to the north-west of Peach's Castle and Mario's House instead of being on its own land in the Mushroom World.
- Super Mario Bros. Deluxe: Part of Mushroom Kingdom. Seemingly just a series of islands. It should be pointed out that The Lost Levels and SMB both share the same world maps, but TLL has Worlds 2 and 3 reversed, same for Worlds 4 and 5, and Worlds 6 and 7.
- Paper Mario: Mushroom Kingdom again, although it now is areas to the west (Goomba Village), south (sea and Lavalava Island), east (Dry Dry Desert) and north (Shiver Mountain) of Peach's Castle. The Shooting Star Summit appears, although it's to the north-east of Peach's Castle (as opposed to being to the south-west as in SMRPG), and is right next to it as well. Mario's House re-appears, at the same location. Bowser's Castle is rebuilt to fly, and ends up being destroyed.
Note: Dry Dry Desert is called Karakara (as in dried-up) Desert in Japanese. It is the same desert as the one shown in Mario Kart 64 (Kalimari Desert) and Double Dash.
- Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga: Beanbean Kingdom. It sh!ares it's north border (Stardust Fields) with the Mushroom Kingdom's south-west border. No idea of where it actually is, but it's not impossible Stardust Fields might be close to Shooting Star Summit (SMRPG location). Mario's House and Peach's Castle appear early in the game, and Bowser's Castle is shown as a flying castle again, but gets destroyed again. The ending shows Bowser also having a ground-based castle in the Mushroom Kingdom.
- Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door: The map isn't that of a particular area, but rather of Rogueport and its surroundings. It's reached from the Mushroom Kingdom by boat, and Fahr Outpost's mountainous region seems to line up with Paper Mario's Shiver Mountain, but it's nothing confirmed. Still looks likely it might be just west of the Paper Mario 64 map (especially since night doesn't fall when Mario goes there by boat, even though it takes three days to reach Keelhaul Key by boat).
- Mario Superstar Baseball: Mushroom Kingdom. The map might not be pointing north as Peach's Castle isn't facing south like it was established to since Super Mario 64. Following that idea, the map shows Mario Stadium on a beach east of Peach's Castle, Yoster Island and Yoshi Park in the sea south of it, a jungle with the DK Jungle stadium west of the castle, Wario Stadium in a desert to the south-west, and Bowser's Castle also to the south-west of Peach's Castle but to the north of the nameless desert.
- Super Princess Peach: Vibe Island. It very much seems to be lost in the middle of the ocean, with no islands around. It contains Ladida Plains, Hoo's Wood, Shriek Mansion, Fury Volcano, Wavy Beach, Gleam Glacier, Giddy Sky and Bowser's summer villa.
- Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time: Mushroom Kingdom. It shows new areas around the castle, including a Star Hill unrelated to the SMRPG location. But it also shows Toad Town south to Peach's Castle again, Bowser's Castle to the north-west (it still has Baby Bowser's face in the present, making it possible it might be Bowser Jr.'s now) and Yoster Island in the sea to the south-west. There's also Hollijolli Village and Gritzy Desert to the north-east, and Thwomp Volcano to the south-east, where E. Gadd used to make his researches.
- New Super Mario Bros.: Mushroom Kingdom, again. Peach's Castle is seen at the beginning, and everything that follows goes to the east of it (assuming Mario doesn't take another path between two worlds). So, from west to east: Peach's Castle, plains, desert, sea (north) or forest (south), snow plains, mountains (north) or skies (south), badlands, then Bowser's Castle.
- Mario Super Sluggers: Baseball Kingdom. An amusement park with baseball events, located on an island south-west of another land (possibly the Mushroom Kingdom). Its areas don't really matter as they are mere recreations of other existing places, although Bowser and Bowser Jr. add their own stadium based off Bowser's Castle.
- Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story: Mushroom Kingdom, this time only showing places located south and south-east of Peach's Castle, including Bowser's Castle that is at the south-east.
- New Super Mario Bros. Wii: Mushroom Kingdom. Mario's path is: Peach's Castle -> east -> plains -> east -> desert -> north-east -> snow plains -> north-east -> sea -> north-east -> forest -> east -> mountains -> north-east -> skies -> east -> volcano -> north -> Bowser's Castle. There's also World 9, which has no other known location than being high in the sky.
- New Super Mario Bros. 2: Mushroom Kingdom again. Same story, all the way to the east. Peach's Castle, plains, desert, sea/forest, snow plains, skies, volcano, Bowser's Castle. There's also three "special" areas that don't seem to be part of the normal world.
- Paper Mario: Sticker Star: Apparently part of the Mushroom Kingdom, although Peach's Castle isn't seen this time. There are two separated areas - a forest, plains, and Drybake Desert (which is, surprise surprise, actually Dry Dry Desert) on the south land, then a sea, then a snow island, a jungle island, and Bowser's hidden Sky Castle (which is clearly not considered his main castle). It's shown there is more land ahead of these three islands (during the final events of the story).
- New Super Mario Bros. U: Mushroom Kingdom. This time, instead of being just areas to the east, it's areas to the west, south and south-west of Peach's Castle. Acorn Plains is the farthest area, and there is a sea to the south-east of the castle as well, called Sparkly Waters. There also is Superstar Road, reached through a sort of teleporter.
So, how can we make that whole package look like something that makes sense, with some doses of fanon (how to explain areas completely shifting locations otherwise?)?
Several Mario games have maps. But some of them share locations, and some others are given a location in relaiton to another area. So, logically, it shouldn't be impossible to have all maps merge together.
So we got:
- Super Mario Bros. 3: Parts of Grass Land, Desert Hill, Seaside, Giant Island, The Sky, Iced Land, Pipe Maze and Bowser's Castle. Super Mario Advance 4 additionaly has a map showing all these areas (together making the Mushroom World, which is NOT the name of Mario's planet, thank you Mario Wiki).
The Mushroom World is supposed to neightbor the Mushroom Kingdom (which is also supposedly part of it).
- Super Mario World: Yoshi's Island (Yoster Island in Japanese, I'll just refer to it that way) as well as the rest of Dinosaur Land (including the Donut Plains, Vanilla Dome, Twin Bridges, Forest of Illusion, Chocolate Island, Valley of Bowser, Star World and Special Zone).
Bowser has a castle in Valley of Bowser, but it's never directly called "Bowser's Castle" and it's likely to be nothing more than a temporary castle.
- Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins: Mario Land, an amusement park "governed" by Mario, that Wario took over. There isn't really much to say, it's just an island with several themed attractions (turned into dangerous landscapes by Wario). No official word on where it is or how did Mario obtain it.
- Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island: Yoshi's Island (Yoshi Island is the Japanese name and it seems to be separate from Yoster Island, I'll call it Yoshi Island to avoid confusion) for the first 5 worlds, what seems to be Bowser's Castle for the sixth. It should be noted that Bowser's Castle seems to be on its own area, and there are mushrooms around, making it similar to its SMB3 appearance.
- Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars: Mushroom Kingdom, introducing the Mushroom Castle (aka Peach's Castle), Bowser's Keep (er, I mean Castle), Star Hill (read: Shooting Star Summit) and Yoster Island. It's mainly areas to the south and west of Peach's Castle.
Bowser's Castle is now to the north-west of Peach's Castle and Mario's House instead of being on its own land in the Mushroom World.
- Super Mario Bros. Deluxe: Part of Mushroom Kingdom. Seemingly just a series of islands. It should be pointed out that The Lost Levels and SMB both share the same world maps, but TLL has Worlds 2 and 3 reversed, same for Worlds 4 and 5, and Worlds 6 and 7.
- Paper Mario: Mushroom Kingdom again, although it now is areas to the west (Goomba Village), south (sea and Lavalava Island), east (Dry Dry Desert) and north (Shiver Mountain) of Peach's Castle. The Shooting Star Summit appears, although it's to the north-east of Peach's Castle (as opposed to being to the south-west as in SMRPG), and is right next to it as well. Mario's House re-appears, at the same location. Bowser's Castle is rebuilt to fly, and ends up being destroyed.
Note: Dry Dry Desert is called Karakara (as in dried-up) Desert in Japanese. It is the same desert as the one shown in Mario Kart 64 (Kalimari Desert) and Double Dash.
- Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga: Beanbean Kingdom. It sh!ares it's north border (Stardust Fields) with the Mushroom Kingdom's south-west border. No idea of where it actually is, but it's not impossible Stardust Fields might be close to Shooting Star Summit (SMRPG location). Mario's House and Peach's Castle appear early in the game, and Bowser's Castle is shown as a flying castle again, but gets destroyed again. The ending shows Bowser also having a ground-based castle in the Mushroom Kingdom.
- Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door: The map isn't that of a particular area, but rather of Rogueport and its surroundings. It's reached from the Mushroom Kingdom by boat, and Fahr Outpost's mountainous region seems to line up with Paper Mario's Shiver Mountain, but it's nothing confirmed. Still looks likely it might be just west of the Paper Mario 64 map (especially since night doesn't fall when Mario goes there by boat, even though it takes three days to reach Keelhaul Key by boat).
- Mario Superstar Baseball: Mushroom Kingdom. The map might not be pointing north as Peach's Castle isn't facing south like it was established to since Super Mario 64. Following that idea, the map shows Mario Stadium on a beach east of Peach's Castle, Yoster Island and Yoshi Park in the sea south of it, a jungle with the DK Jungle stadium west of the castle, Wario Stadium in a desert to the south-west, and Bowser's Castle also to the south-west of Peach's Castle but to the north of the nameless desert.
- Super Princess Peach: Vibe Island. It very much seems to be lost in the middle of the ocean, with no islands around. It contains Ladida Plains, Hoo's Wood, Shriek Mansion, Fury Volcano, Wavy Beach, Gleam Glacier, Giddy Sky and Bowser's summer villa.
- Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time: Mushroom Kingdom. It shows new areas around the castle, including a Star Hill unrelated to the SMRPG location. But it also shows Toad Town south to Peach's Castle again, Bowser's Castle to the north-west (it still has Baby Bowser's face in the present, making it possible it might be Bowser Jr.'s now) and Yoster Island in the sea to the south-west. There's also Hollijolli Village and Gritzy Desert to the north-east, and Thwomp Volcano to the south-east, where E. Gadd used to make his researches.
- New Super Mario Bros.: Mushroom Kingdom, again. Peach's Castle is seen at the beginning, and everything that follows goes to the east of it (assuming Mario doesn't take another path between two worlds). So, from west to east: Peach's Castle, plains, desert, sea (north) or forest (south), snow plains, mountains (north) or skies (south), badlands, then Bowser's Castle.
- Mario Super Sluggers: Baseball Kingdom. An amusement park with baseball events, located on an island south-west of another land (possibly the Mushroom Kingdom). Its areas don't really matter as they are mere recreations of other existing places, although Bowser and Bowser Jr. add their own stadium based off Bowser's Castle.
- Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story: Mushroom Kingdom, this time only showing places located south and south-east of Peach's Castle, including Bowser's Castle that is at the south-east.
- New Super Mario Bros. Wii: Mushroom Kingdom. Mario's path is: Peach's Castle -> east -> plains -> east -> desert -> north-east -> snow plains -> north-east -> sea -> north-east -> forest -> east -> mountains -> north-east -> skies -> east -> volcano -> north -> Bowser's Castle. There's also World 9, which has no other known location than being high in the sky.
- New Super Mario Bros. 2: Mushroom Kingdom again. Same story, all the way to the east. Peach's Castle, plains, desert, sea/forest, snow plains, skies, volcano, Bowser's Castle. There's also three "special" areas that don't seem to be part of the normal world.
- Paper Mario: Sticker Star: Apparently part of the Mushroom Kingdom, although Peach's Castle isn't seen this time. There are two separated areas - a forest, plains, and Drybake Desert (which is, surprise surprise, actually Dry Dry Desert) on the south land, then a sea, then a snow island, a jungle island, and Bowser's hidden Sky Castle (which is clearly not considered his main castle). It's shown there is more land ahead of these three islands (during the final events of the story).
- New Super Mario Bros. U: Mushroom Kingdom. This time, instead of being just areas to the east, it's areas to the west, south and south-west of Peach's Castle. Acorn Plains is the farthest area, and there is a sea to the south-east of the castle as well, called Sparkly Waters. There also is Superstar Road, reached through a sort of teleporter.
So, how can we make that whole package look like something that makes sense, with some doses of fanon (how to explain areas completely shifting locations otherwise?)?
