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Post by 1up on Mar 31, 2012 16:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by Banzai Bill on Mar 31, 2012 22:01:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember his interview. I wholeheartedly agree with you, and besides, we have Punch-Out...   |
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Post by Koopalmier on Apr 1, 2012 10:29:46 GMT -5
That's because it's what he was told when he first auditioned. Y'know, by the team that made Mario Teaches Typing.
As for Punch-Out, it's not even a Mario game. Mario is a cameo. He appears in Kirby Super Star too, so is Pop Star actually Earth ?
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Post by Indigo on Apr 1, 2012 11:56:48 GMT -5
I say they're from Brooklyn just because it's funny, not to mention that it really kind of makes sense (what with the Italian accents and Donkey Kong and such).
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Post by PDoogan on Apr 1, 2012 15:35:48 GMT -5
Charles Martinet has a tendency to make stuff up as he goes along. He's not doing it on purpose, but talking to people in real time involves a lot of ad-libbing. So don't take everything he says as absolute cannon.
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Post by 1up on Apr 2, 2012 17:06:38 GMT -5
The cartoons also characterized Luigi as a coward. And that soon was reflected in the games as well.
All I'm saying is that until the games can offer up a specific explanation of Mario and Luigi's past, I have to go with what the supplementary material has offered. I say that until the games directly deny it, Mario and Luigi are from Brooklyn.
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Post by Unknown Beta User on Apr 21, 2012 14:03:54 GMT -5
What about Yoshi's Island? In the end, Mario and Luigi are clearly delivered to a mushroom house. Also, in Yoshi's Island DS they're in the same house in the Mushroom Kingdom, and in Partners in Time they are shown to be friends with Princess Peach since childhood. They could have been to Brooklyn some time in their life, somehow, but I think there's enough evidence that they were born in the Mushroom Kingdom.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Jun 23, 2012 12:42:54 GMT -5
I always believed they were from Brooklyn. I find the YI and PIT stories too confusing and the Brooklyn theory to me is more believable.
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Post by koopaul on Jun 29, 2012 0:39:16 GMT -5
Too confusing? He simply has always lived in the Mushroom Kingdom? How confusing is that?
Or are you talking about that silly (he was born in the Mushroom Kingdom then transported to Brooklyn, then transported back) theory?
Because that's really dumb.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Jun 29, 2012 1:33:29 GMT -5
It's not that he he has lived in the Mushroom Kingdom all his life what's confusing. What I find confusing is that YI seems to imply that he came out of nothing and delivered to some random people in the Mushroom Kingdom. There is no explanation whatsoever about his origins.
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Post by Sarisa on Jul 10, 2012 15:30:57 GMT -5
Storks do deliver babies - at least that's what you're supposed to tell the gradeschoolers who are the intended audience for Mario games.
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Post by Banzai Bill on Jul 10, 2012 20:33:14 GMT -5
It's confusing because why would a couple of modern day humans be delivered to a fantasy realm filled with Mushroom People? The original origin story always made more sense. And look at Punch-Out!! in my example up there. Mario's been in New York. No, I'm talking about this. |
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Post by Sarisa on Jul 10, 2012 22:19:14 GMT -5
There are a lot of humans in some of the more obscure Mario spinoffs and connected series, too many to be accounted for by assuming they all came from another dimension one by one.
This would be the point in the discussion to mention that one of my pet theories is that, generations ago, a group of humans from wherever Mario Golf and the WarioWare series are set invaded and conquered the Mushroom Kingdom, Mushroom Worlds, Sarasaland, Jewelry Land, etc. (If you're familiar with the Narnia series, recall the Telmarines.) Mario, Luigi, and E. Gadd are descendants of the original followers; Peach, Daisy, and the Mushroom Kings are descendents of the leaders who divided their conquered continent into kingdoms. This story has the merit of not needing to invoke Brooklyn at all; the Mario Bros. ancestors have been in the Mushroom Kingdom as long as Princess Peach's dynasty. On the other hand, it has the downside of not invoking Brooklyn at all without replacing it with anything but the assumption that the Brooklyn origin story has been quietly discarded (along with a few other ideas over time) and does not even attempt to explain the TV shows.
Edit: After looking over your page, the fundamental disagreement between our perspectives is canonicity. I do believe in retcons (mostly for the worse, as you said) and believe in a mutable canon in general. I consider most third-party media to be barely "canon" to start with; some are near-canon in retrospect, some are copyright-encumbered, and some are better forgotten.
Also, when trying to construct a coherent and sociologically plausible (or less implausible) Mushroom Kingdom, I freely ignore third-party media and old (pre-1991) canon that doesn't fit in with the modern depictions. For example, Koopa Troopas haven't walked on four legs for 21 years; instead of postulating that they were retrained between SMB3 and SMW, I would rather postulate that Koopa Troopas have walked on their hind legs since the time of the four heroes and the older games depict a discarded version of the Koopa Troopa.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Jul 11, 2012 6:52:33 GMT -5
It's confusing because why would a couple of modern day humans be delivered to a fantasy realm filled with Mushroom People? The original origin story always made more sense. My thoughts exactly. That link of yours looks really good by the way and well thought out. |
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Post by Vent on Jul 17, 2012 11:36:31 GMT -5
^ So let me get this straight: The Stork bringing babies in a world where mushrooms talk and turtles breath fire is "too confusing" but a needlessly complicated plot where two guys from Brooklyn were born in said world, sent to the real world then brought back to said world is "believable"?  EDIT: I'm pretty much with Sarisa. Sometimes retcons are a good thing. I like Mario having consistency, but you don't need to turn it into a friggin' 600-issue comic book's worth of explanation to do so. |
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