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Post by boodestroyer on Jan 24, 2012 17:34:23 GMT -5
...such a pathetic loser?
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 24, 2012 18:57:44 GMT -5
Um well I honestly dont trust anything that guy says for some pretty good reasons.
1. His camera and video displaying quality are really bad. I mean come on its one thing to have a crappy camera but usually when you do you just do a voiceover instead of showing just making yourself look worse. He didn't even upload gameplay from games in good quality so... points off for that too
2. He said Zelda was worse than Peach. Obviously he has never played a Zelda game before. HE EVEN HAD A CLIP OF SHIEK DOING STUFF IN THAT VIDEO. So yeah, lack of research there.
3. He did mention Peach's highpoints, but really accentuated the negative even though he admitted that Peach's roles in those RPG games were crucial. And he forgot to mention Peach breaking the Cobalt Star to keep Elder Princess Shroob from taking over. And Peach throwing Bowser out of her own castle in BiS. And he completely missed out on SM3D Land. (Ok maybe the game wasn't out at the time but this game proves that Peach can fight for herself.)
4. It really sounded like he was just trying to F-Strike at some points that were really unneccesary. He thinks hes like AVGN or something. Also he makes it sound really silly when he just puts emphasis on that word wven though the sentence he used it in wasn't that important.
Yeah... so Peach gets kidnapped a lot, but she is by no means a useless character.
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Post by boodestroyer on Jan 29, 2012 18:25:27 GMT -5
3. He did mention Peach's highpoints, but really accentuated the negative even though he admitted that Peach's roles in those RPG games were crucial. And he forgot to mention Peach breaking the Cobalt Star to keep Elder Princess Shroob from taking over. And Peach throwing Bowser out of her own castle in BiS. And he completely missed out on SM3D Land. (Ok maybe the game wasn't out at the time but this game proves that Peach can fight for herself.) 4. It really sounded like he was just trying to F-Strike at some points that were really unneccesary. He thinks hes like AVGN or something. Also he makes it sound really silly when he just puts emphasis on that word wven though the sentence he used it in wasn't that important. Try paying more attention. Most of those "unnecessary" parts were actually marginally more important. This video was made before 3D Land, but as for that: Just as soon, JUST AS SOON, as she manages to escape, she gets caught again right shortly after that. Even if he did go over Peach's other abilities like in Smash Bros. and stuff, he's just going to say something about how they come off as crappy and uninspired anyway. SPM really was her best, being playable for the entire game starting from World 2. World 2! But beyond that... @spp: "Not worthy of using a Fire Flower" indeed. That's all. Useless or not, she's still the epitome of a joke character. His points were more along the lines of "While she has room to improve, what the hell even makes her a good, like-able character as she is now?" |
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Post by Koopalmier on Jan 30, 2012 3:18:01 GMT -5
She's girly, nice, and can be wise when she's not absent-minded. She doesn't seem to understand danger until it's really serious (Paper Mario series for instance).
And she did manage to escape in 3D Land, but she gets kidnapped again TWO WORLDS later. It's not like she could have avoided that either, considering every single soldier was after her.
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Post by boodestroyer on Jan 30, 2012 11:35:09 GMT -5
Did you even watch this video?
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Post by Koopalmier on Jan 31, 2012 13:47:21 GMT -5
Nope. Not feeling like doing so. Too lazy.
Yes, I'm in fault here. Problem ?
*slowly walks away from thread*
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Post by boodestroyer on Jan 31, 2012 19:12:52 GMT -5
Eh, your loss.  |
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Post by Sarisa on Feb 1, 2012 4:05:13 GMT -5
So he hasn't done the Zelda research, but otherwise it's a sensible video. Peach is a pink-garbed plot device in the main series, her spinoff is offensive, and she is what commentators point at when discussing the sexism of video games as a medium.
There are only two reasons we don't have discussions on a main series/RPG personality split like Bowser's; SMB2 and her non-agency in the main series. There's no personality required to be kidnapped all the time, just weakness or stupidity. The early flash of personality-less competence from SMB2 is just enough to support Peach's RPG personality as a conscientious monarch and clever and brave if weak and reckless young woman, and nothing in the main series contradicts this; any increased competence from RPG!Peach makes MainSeries!Bowser, established as competent, look better. To be fair, Peach is a magician of some power if she has time and materials at hand, but her magic has never done her any good against Goombas with spears, let alone anything else.
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Post by boodestroyer on Feb 1, 2012 11:38:06 GMT -5
I'd get down some points of interest in the video, but I don't have the time for it now, so I'll just say that "lackluster at best, a complete joke at worst" is what sums her up. She has the potential and room to improve, but it just never takes off. As of now, she really is one of the most pitiful characters ever made. And I feel sorry for anyone who actually thinks that she's so freaking special and unique by any stretch of the imagination.  |
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Post by kingkoopa on Feb 2, 2012 15:29:31 GMT -5
I never said she was super special and unique, but you can at least say that she is braver than the Toads (not saying much I know). Still, I wouldn't say she isn't anywhere near a hopeless cause, and does have some high points every now and then. And perhaps she will get some important role in the new Paper Mario?
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Post by rhinotaur on Feb 7, 2012 23:05:01 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for Bowser to kidnap her again.
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Post by boodestroyer on Feb 18, 2012 16:39:08 GMT -5
I never said she was super special and unique, but you can at least say that she is braver than the Toads (not saying much I know). Still, I wouldn't say she isn't anywhere near a hopeless cause, and does have some high points every now and then. And perhaps she will get some important role in the new Paper Mario? Going back, I did like her the best in Super Paper Mario, I'll give her that. But by and large, as for everything else, it still leaves you wondering what's so like-able about her. It's Paper Mario, after all. I'm sure she'll be up to something fine, even if it likely won't be as great as SPM. But once again......well, she's still in need of a lot more improvement. (I don't know what that guy's problem is, but I'd say she's worse than Zelda) |
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Post by Sarisa on Feb 19, 2012 8:18:37 GMT -5
Zelda has three things going for her that Peach doesn't:
1. Most of the Zeldas are different people. Sure, they should have read about what happened to their ancestors, but no one's born with their ancestors' memories (unless they actually live in the Dune universe). There's only one Peach, who has had many more chances than Zelda to learn better.
2. Sheik. Can you imagine Peach dressing as a man and acting like a ninja? No? I can't either. Zelda was also a pirate in The Wind Waker. Therefore, as both a ninja and a pirate, Zelda has achieved an indisputable level of awesome that Peach has never come close to.
3. Ganondorf is a lot more competent than Bowser, as demonstrated in SSBB. Who's to say that Bowser would be able to successfully attack Hyrule? (Counter-argument: Mario, who is much more experienced than Link, might not care as much about stopping Bowser. Bowser can be trusted not to hurt Peach and is usually willing to help Mario against outside forces, neither of which is true of Ganondorf.)
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Feb 28, 2012 19:14:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I like Princess Peach the way she is presented in the game: Feminine and nice, if a bit "ditzy" every now and then, and overall I wouldn't change her character. She's the perfect example of a "damsel-in-distress," and I don't see her as a joke character. If she were a strong female character then she wouldn't ever get captured and there would be no point in the Super Mario franchise! Could you imagine a Super Mario platformer where Peach isn't kidnapped? Call me a traditionalist but I'm fine with things the way they are. Also, if Peach's character is "sexist" then are feminine women in the real world "sexist" as well? Also, isn't it prejudiced of him to label more powerful females as "fantastic," and more feminine ones (ala Princess Peach) "lame?" I know I probably shouldn't get too off-topic, but there IS a difference between men and women, and anyone who would tell you otherwise is either deceptive or ignorant of the topic.
P.S. Gender roles are NOT "socially-constructed," they developed because of the physical distinctions between male and female genders, not "men oppressing woman."
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Post by Sarisa on Feb 29, 2012 2:27:20 GMT -5
I want to write a screed in reply, but it would be angry and not accomplish much other than conveying my anger towards those who believe in the natural subordination of the majority of humanity. So instead I'll quote a good band: "Some of them want to abuse you, some of them want to be abused." And I hope you find a partner who indeed wants to be abused, since that woman is not me.
The reason Peach is problematic in a way that Flavio is not is because America is two generations, at most, removed from the days when being born female meant being born cut off from any hope of a good job, most hope of a good education, and much of a future beyond accepting ill-treatment for food. Peach is still in those days, and her example is that a "good" woman is powerless, dependent, and subject to casual abuse. Do you see why female gamers would rather be Princess Alena - heck, Princess Garnet - than Princess Peach?
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Post by Koopalmier on Feb 29, 2012 3:30:41 GMT -5
Girly girls who can't defend themselves exist as much as strong independant women. As such, Peach's character doesn't bother me, and it's not like she can't take matters into her hands in the RPGs.
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Post by Sarisa on Feb 29, 2012 6:45:34 GMT -5
Girly girls who can't defend themselves exist as much as strong independant women. As such, Peach's character doesn't bother me, and it's not like she can't take matters into her hands in the RPGs. True words. If Peach were a one-off character, no one would care much except scholars digging for examples. No one complains about the equally useless Princess Gwaelin (who is as useful as Peach was in SMB3) or Princess Daisy. It's the number of Mario games and their universal plot that earn Peach her bad reputation. |
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Post by koopaul on Apr 19, 2012 1:56:57 GMT -5
I argued about this on another forums. Zelda is NO WAY worse than Peach.
In the main Mario games Peach's role is limited to getting captured and baking cake. There's no real significance to her. What's gonna happen now that she's captured? The games don't really bank on this, rather it's everything else Bowser is doing that seems far more crucial.
Zelda on the other hand is a vital piece to the story. She's always using her power to assist Link and guide him proper. True she always gets kidnapped but she helps out just as much! On top of that, her significance is very well pronounced. While Peach we are only to assume is important, the importance of Zelda's well being is very much emphasized. Holding the Triforce of Wisdom, she is often the key to ultimate power.
See it's not fair to say Peach is better because of the RPGs... Because Zelda doesn't have any RPGs! The Zelda series doesn't have spinoffs or anything that Mario has. So we have to compare Peach to Zelda on a balanced plane, meaning only the main platformer titles of Mario to the main titles of Zelda.
Yeah, Zelda doesn't look so bad now, does she?
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Post by boodestroyer on Apr 19, 2012 10:03:49 GMT -5
The Mario series isn't like the other franchises as most people make them out to be, since it's split up into far more categories than any other (which seem to have only one category apiece).
And yeah, once again, even if they were RPGs, Peach was definitely at her best in Super Mario RPG and Super Paper Mario. And Super Princess Peach doesn't count, because that game was actually a complete joke in itself. ("Not worthy of using a Fire Flower")
They're always trying to make Peach look better than she really is. It's like they WANT you to hate her.
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