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Post by Banzai Bill on Jan 13, 2012 14:30:17 GMT -5
For many years all we really knew about Super Leaves was what Super Mario Bros. 3 told us. They're leaves that give you raccoon powers. Now with Super Mario 3D Land out, more insight on their nature is suggested. First of all, these new Super Leaves give the Mario Bros. a Tanooki Suit instead. Could this mean that Super Leaves in their ripest form (straight from the tree) are at the peak of their powers, enabling one to don a Tanooki Suit? Maybe the Super Mario Bros. 3 leaves were withered to supply only a Raccoon Suit? But then Goombas transformed into Tailed Goombas instead of Tanoombas (see www.mariowiki.com/Tail_Goomba vs. www.mariowiki.com/Tanoomba). So maybe Tanooki transformation depends upon the recipient's ability? Or a blend of both? Your thoughts? |
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 13, 2012 15:32:55 GMT -5
Well, we also learned that Tanooki leaves actually are green when they are on the tree and turn brown when the tree sheds them, much like a regular tree. Also, you can hold a leaf without using its power. I guess you have to eat it or something. Not only that but super leaves dont always give tanuki powers. Some people have turned into kitsune by touching one of the leaves (by that I mean Luigi) however Luigi never did this before. Perhaps Luigi's power is growing? And his personality and self confidence as well? Yeah I think the Tanooki suits from Super Mario Bros 3 were made with the iron looking leaves of 3D Land that allow you to turn to stone. Maybe Mario turned Tannoki just by touching leaves now because he has become more powerful?
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Post by PDoogan on Jan 13, 2012 17:33:54 GMT -5
I always assumed that tanoobas were goomba/tanooki hybrids while the goombas in SM3DL were just goombas using tanooki leaves.
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Post by Banzai Bill on Jan 14, 2012 14:04:27 GMT -5
Yeah I think the Tanooki suits from Super Mario Bros 3 were made with the iron looking leaves of 3D Land that allow you to turn to stone. Yeah, I was thinking something similar. Maybe 'Tanooki' leaves are so rare that a Mushroom Kingdom scientist created the Tanooki Suit. Oh wait, scratch that. Apparently, a comic already discussed this issue ( www.mariowiki.com/Tanooki_Suits_Me). |
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 15, 2012 12:51:36 GMT -5
Well I mean, that isn't really 100% canon. And we know that Tanooki leaves are the cause of the tails and not just some guy who sewed tails on clothes. But when you think about it, the raccoon leaf in 3D land gives Mario the same powers as the raccon leaf, its just that he only shows off the flying at the end of the game. I don't know, maybe Mario was able to get more power out of a Tanooki leaf than he could before.
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Post by Banzai Bill on Jan 15, 2012 20:01:01 GMT -5
Well I mean, that isn't really 100% canon. Why would it not be? |
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Post by PDoogan on Jan 15, 2012 20:29:51 GMT -5
Well I mean, that isn't really 100% canon. Why would it not be? Because Valiant made those, not Nintendo. |
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Post by Banzai Bill on Jan 16, 2012 13:15:22 GMT -5
At least for me, if it's an official Nintendo licensed product, it counts.
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Post by Koopalmier on Jan 16, 2012 15:37:04 GMT -5
Not as much as the games, because not many people read that comic or even know about it. Also Nintendo of Japan, which is the mother HQ of the company, and where the Mario universe is from and still being made, didn't license it. Even if you think it's canon, not everyone will agree. No need for any debate anyway.
I believe Mario didn't have the inner force to absorb the whole Tanooki Leaf in SMB3, so he only became a "half tanuki" (racoon) and needed a special suit to actually become Tanooki Mario. Same for Luigi.
In Mario 3D Land, I assume that Toads and Peach also grew strong enough inside to completely absorb the leaf's power (Peach has gone through several adventures, while Toads have gotten their town stormed several times and most of them may have become a bit more courageous. Or maybe Toads are epic bosses and could do it from the start already). Same for Luigi, who becomes a kitsune maybe because his power grew "differently", or he just dislikes racoons. What an buttox. >:V
I'd also assume the Tanooki Suit is actually based off stone leafs.
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Post by PDoogan on Jan 16, 2012 16:08:54 GMT -5
This isn't entirely related to this but it's just a thought:
Aside from the power-ups, it's also been shown that tanookis are an actual creature in the Mushroom world.
So it Luigi turns into a kitsune (kitsoone?) does this mean there is also a giant biped fox species in the Mushroom world?
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 16, 2012 18:10:13 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure there has been some sort of kitsune or ninetails in some Mario game. Besides, we have yet to see the Tanooki homeland, where other Japaneese creatures might live.
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Post by Banzai Bill on Jan 17, 2012 13:46:02 GMT -5
Aside from the power-ups, it's also been shown that tanookis are an actual creature in the Mushroom world. , right? |
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 17, 2012 16:56:20 GMT -5
Aside from the power-ups, it's also been shown that tanookis are an actual creature in the Mushroom world. , right? Yes that is one that I certainly remember them being in, but were they in any others? I seem to remember some Tanookis in Superstar Saga, or am I just thinking of Tanoombas. |
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Post by PDoogan on Jan 17, 2012 17:20:30 GMT -5
they've only physically appeared in sunshine, but in SPM they are mentioned by one of sammer guys as being rare.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jan 20, 2012 20:45:00 GMT -5
I'm going to be the first to come out and say that: a) Super Mario 3D Land retcons Super Mario Bros. 3 by reconciling the Tanooki Suit and Super (Raccoon) Leaf as a simgle Power-Up; the Tanooki Leaf, b) the Tamooki Leaf and Stone Leaf are the same Power-Up, and c) Luigi becoming a Kitsune was just an asthetic difference really, so I'd say the Tanooki Leaf has the potential to have some minor variations per person.
P.S. I believe that it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that Tanoomba's are being reconciled with Raccoon Goomba's as well, b/c if the distinction between the Tanooki Suit and Raccoon Leaf has been eliminated (like my theory said) then it would stand to reason that the distinction between Tanoomba and Raccoon Goomba has as well.
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Post by Sarisa on Jan 27, 2012 1:22:42 GMT -5
P.S. I believe that it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that Tanoomba's are being reconciled with Raccoon Goomba's as well, b/c if the distinction between the Tanooki Suit and Raccoon Leaf has been eliminated (like my theory said) then it would stand to reason that the distinction between Tanoomba and Raccoon Goomba has as well. Hold on there. The Tanoomba's signature ability is the ability to temporarily disguise itself as a human, something the Tail Goomba lacks. Tanoombas might be the result of the plant power of the Beanbean Kingdom amplifying the Super Leaves, although that doesn't explain how a breeding population of proto-Tanoombas entered the Beanbean Kingdom to begin with. |
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Post by PDoogan on Jan 27, 2012 13:20:00 GMT -5
Considering the fact that tanookis themselves are said to be quite rare, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that tanoombas themselves are rare too, only existing in small populations throughout the world.
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Post by Sarisa on Jan 27, 2012 20:13:14 GMT -5
I forgot about the Tanoombs of Thwomp Volcano, which is on the other side of the MK from the Beanbean Kingdom, so it's unlikely that Tanoombas are native to Beanbean. Perhaps Tanoombas are native to the MK, but the lowland population was wiped out in the Tashrooba experiments and has been confined to Thwomp Volcano since. Some of them had immigrated to the Beanbean Kingdom in the same wave that brought the ancestors of Gritty Goombas and Bob-ombs before the Shroob invasion.
(Note to self - are Goombas and Bob-ombs immune to Bean Fever? Presumably Toads are vulnerable or it wouldn't be a well-known disease.)
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Post by PDoogan on Jan 28, 2012 0:00:43 GMT -5
I think bean fever works like the whole Mexico water thing. It's only dangerous if you're not used to it.
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Post by Sarisa on Jan 28, 2012 1:41:12 GMT -5
I should have mentioned that I have a pet hypothesis that untreated bean fever turns the (Toad) victim into a Bean (the residents of the Beanbean lowlands), not a bean (non-sapient vegetable), and that bean fever is responsible for the bean-ification of various MK creatures in the Beanbean Kingdom.
I assume bean fever must be reasonably common in Little Fungitown since the doctor had no trouble diagnosing it. If Little Fungitown has significant contact with the Mushroom Kingdom there would be enough tourists coming through for the doctor to recognize the disease. If it doesn't, bean fever must be a threat to Little Fungitown natives.
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