On Luigi's Mansion

[The_Cat]

I've got two questions:

Are the spinoff game's Mansions the actual mansion?
Fully possible that some pseudo-theme park versions of the Mansion got made, and I doubt E. Gadd would want random people building right next to his shack. Although if they aren't the real deal, this begs the question of who constructed them.

Where is the Mansion?
The game itself doesn't even vaguely imply that it's anywhere in particular, but it's apparently in some vague, possibly mildly forested area.

[cheat-master30]

The second one is apparently Boo Woods. It's mentioned in Partners in Time when the young E Gadd says he plans to move there. You can explore part of it in Mario Kart DS, since half the track goes through the swampy forest.

The mansions might be real, in a sense. Remember, the original mansion itself was a kind of ghost created illusion, so it's fairly likely the spinoff game ones were also created by King Boo and co, who just happen to be competing in most of said spinoffs. It's likely that were also the original 'mansion', just recreated a bit and with some of the surroundings changed. I mean, the whole thing disappeared/appeared in one night in the original game, so it's likely someone just brought it back and put it right back where it was originally. Indeed, I'd say the surroundings are magically created/altered to be all gloomy and haunted house like, and that the mansion itself is a sort of ghost that only 'appears' at night. Think about it, it'd explain quite well why you can't play on the Luigi's Mansion field in the Mario Baseball games in the day and why all the spinoff mansions are set at night.

[kingkoopa]

I think we had a topic on this a while ago. I forget where it was though... Anyways, I think that the mansion is more or less a portable HQ for the Boos. I think that ever since the events of LM King Boo placed the mansion in some other part of Boo Woods or maybe some other woods entirely.

[thedude3445]

I always thought that Luigi's new Mansion that he built himself is where Luigi's Circuit from Double Dash is, and that the other Mansions were just random Boo houses.

[Koopalmier]

First, Luigi's Mansion is located in Boo Woods. According to something E. Gadd says in Superstar Saga, he had to "go through the forest, over the hills and by the sea" to get to the Beanbean Kingdom, so I think the Boo Woods are located behind a moutain range. After Luigi's Mansion (the game), E. Gadd got the mansion destroyed and used the money Luigi found there to construct him a new mansion. As it appears from Luigi Circuit in Double Dash, Boo Woods as a whole got rid off. You can see a few mountains in the background too, leading again to the idea the Boo Woods are (well, were) located behind a moutain range.

My theory: the new Luigi's (haunted) Mansion is located in another forest and was again made by King Boo. It should be noted that E. Gadd's ghost paintings are in the mansion, so either King Boo stole them, either E. Gadd gave them to the Boos, either the Boos somehow buyed them from E. Gadd and he used the money to get himself a new laboratory - the one in Mario Party 5.

[thedude3445]

Well Boo Woods in MKDS could actually be an adaptation of the Mansion from Paper Mario. That could be feasible, right? The paintings would have been placed there by King Boo after he steals them (to make for a possible sequel ). He would own the mansion now, considering he's (most likely) Bow's father.

[Koopalmier]

But Bow is a princess of the Boos of Boo Mansion. You learn somewhere in the game that Bootler was in love with Bow's mother, and after her parents died he took care of her (how do Boos die, anyway ?).
Plus, King Boo seems to have taken that title after his defeat in Mario 64 (assuming he's that game's Big Boo). Yet Lady Bow seems to rule the Boo Mansions Boo since a while now.

Also, Forever Forest is filled with blue trees. The forest in which the current Luigi's Mansion is looks nothing like that.

[thedude3445]

meh details.... IDK then.

[Vent]

(how do Boos die, anyway ?)

They ascend to a higher plane of existence. Although, that would imply that the Boos are ghosts of dead people and not a species, since ghosts only stick around if they have unfinished business. I've personally always considered them a species unto themselves, since we've already seen ghosts of various other creatures such as Goombas, Shy Guys and even Toads.

[cheat-master30]

I don't think Boos do die to be honest, maybe they're just a sort of immortal species. They don't have an undead or 'living' form, and if most non Galaxy games are to be believed, they don't even have the weakness or general attributes of actual ghosts (no weakness to light, no motives).

But it's hard to tell, because very few, if any ghosts in the Mario series ever really wanted to move on. That ghost Toad didn't want to ascend to another plane of existance, Cortez and many other undead bosses just decided to stick around permanently, it's debatable whether King Boo, Bogmire and Bouldergeist are actual undead or just monsters with some ghostly attributes, the enemies that are ghosts are presumably just after vengeance, and few if any Luigi's Mansion ghosts want to leave the mortal realm. Sure, the fortune teller ghost didn't want to remain a ghost for eternity, but the majority of the others either didn't notice they died (Neville, Lydia, Shivers, Whirlindas, Biff, etc) or likely didn't have much interest in leaving (Van Gore, etc)

I doubt ghosts in the series only stick around if they have finished business either.

[EpicGyllynn]

I'd I imagine that the "Luigi's Mansion" stages/tracks in the Spin-Off games are just "fakes," just like the "Mushroom Castle" ones. As for the Boo's, I believe they are a Species, and not Ghost, and, based on what I can gather, mortal; However, they are probably very long-lived, as they are probably immune to most diseases. Concerning the actual Spirits of the deceased, however, I'd imagine most pass on to the Afterlife not long after tier death, unless they are super-powerful beings capable of remaining and manifesting in the physical world(That is, until Mario shows up to pummel them into the Afterlife). The Ghost in Luigi's Mansion were probably kept from passing on by King Boo, most of them becoming his mindless pawns, although some remained self aware (i.e. most Ghost Bosses). Van Gore probably remained of his own will though, the others probably not, as some didn't even know that they had died yet. Here's a philosophical question for you, did the Ghost from the game "pass on" after King Boo's defeat, or did they remain sealed in the portraits?

[cheat-master30]

Presumably stayed in the portraits. On that note, it's unlikely ghosts MUST pass on, otherwise what of that Toad in Paper Mario 2 who refused and yet was fairly normal?

[EpicGyllynn]

...I don't recall... Please fill me in.

[kingkoopa]

I believe his name was Ghost T. or something similar and he haunted the Excess Express. You had to give him back his diary. If you read it, you got a Game Over.

[EpicGyllynn]

Thank you, KingKoopa, I just read his Bio on SuperMarioWiki and I'm... Not sure why he can stay on whim... You'd think passing on would be inevitable, at least for a Toad, yet he is capable of remaining in the Excess Express even after his buisness is resolved... Any ideas?

[Koopalmier]

Maybe that passing on IS evitable. You choose if you want to go to the Underwhere and either stay there and be bored for eternity, or go to the Overthere and be bored for eternity with annoying people. Maybe that's why there are so many ghosts in the Mario world, even if you ignore Boos and other ghosts who happen to be closer to "bodyless spirits" than to dead people: the afterlife isn't that worth it after all, and, as there's supposedly no actual god in the Mario world (the Star Spirits just make wishes truth, and Grambi and Jades just watch over the afterlife) nothing obligates you to ascend to the afterlife, you can just continue your business even after dieing.

[cheat-master30]

That seems entirely plausible. No really, the Mario universe versions of the afterlife kinda miss out on the 'infinite possibilities' of any real world religion's version of said realm.

[thedude3445]

Is the mansion going to come back? Because it's in MK3DS, the original one, and there's a new one coming so the mansion might reappear again.

[PDoogan]

Considering how many games the mansion has shown up in, and the fact that it looks different every time, I'd guess that there were always multiple mansions and King Boo just lured Luigi to the one that he lived in at the time (which seems to be in boo woods according to PiT)

[Koopalmier]

But it was made within a night, according to E. Gadd.
It looking different is no major thing either. What about Peach's Castle and Bowser's, then ?