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Post by Koopalmier on Jan 1, 2011 6:46:38 GMT -5
Simple answer: the Kuri/Chestnut King referenced in Paper Mario 2 is not the same character as the Goomba King/Goomboss. Luigi's story really has little to no relation to any other Mario game at all outside of the fact that Luigi's partners are the usual enemy drone species. What reason would they have for making a random sub-boss be the villain of Luigi's story? Actually, it wasn't. It was transcribed from a preview in Famitsu. NoA didn't confirm it until after. Remember: YOU'RE the one who's known for being disagreeable around here, not me.  Famitsu isn't an official magazine. As in, it's just made by fans. They obviously assumed it was an alternate universe since the game says "This story starts again on a star bit festival" or something. And why would they NOT make the Goomba King a character of Luigi's story ? It gives him a story outside of "he's a big Goomba who happens to be part of Bowser's army, oh and he has a moustache too". And Luigi's adventure is technically tied-in with Mario's, considering that they both must go through Rogueport (although Luigi sails) and that they met multiple times. |
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Post by Vent on Jan 1, 2011 17:20:05 GMT -5
1. Since when is Famitsu NOT official? It's only the BIGGEST gaming magazine in all of Japan. There's a reason everybody goes to Famitsu scans first for information when a game is previewed.
2. The fact that Goomboss is just a big Goomba that's part of Bowser's army is THE REASON they wouldn't put him in Luigi's story. Of all the enemy drone bosses to make the main villain, WHY HIM?
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Post by Koopalmier on Jan 1, 2011 17:32:24 GMT -5
1. It's not official in relation to Nintendo. In the way nobody at Nintendo works with them. They did make a couple WarioWare DIY microgames, though.
2. Two already existing Mario characters had a food-related name: Goomba King and Bowser, and they wouldn't use Bowser.
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Post by Vent on Jan 1, 2011 18:01:51 GMT -5
....That's still no excuse for why they used Goomba King.
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Post by Koopalmier on Jan 1, 2011 19:50:34 GMT -5
Hey, I can't know. I'm not in their mind.
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Post by Vent on Jan 1, 2011 20:01:44 GMT -5
Then why did you act like it was an absolute even after I hypothesized as to why it might be true?
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Post by cheat-master30 on Jan 1, 2011 20:18:20 GMT -5
Here's something a lot of people never consider about Luigi's story... why do they always think Princess Eclair has to be human? Maybe she was a Goomba and it would explain why the Goomba King is the Chestnut King or whatever.
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Jan 1, 2011 20:52:08 GMT -5
Because she's a princess.
Is Peach a Toad? Is Rosalina a Luma? Is Daisy a... Whatever she happens to be the ruler of?
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Post by Koopalmier on Jan 2, 2011 2:47:36 GMT -5
Vent : Because it IS true. Your only argument proving that it's false is that it'ss a weird idea. <_< @cheat-master : Because Luigi felt in love with her.
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Post by Vent on Jan 2, 2011 9:07:34 GMT -5
Your argument isn't any better. There's no proof that it IS the Goomba King outside of the Japanese name, and if it WERE meant to be the Goomba King, WHY would they change it for the US release?
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Post by ddshoeshowz on Jan 2, 2011 9:41:10 GMT -5
BELIEVE ME! NOR CAN I! But, then again, I've noticed that Japanese cultures takes a slightly different view of sexuality that seems...odd and sometimes inappropriate to a Western culture that still feels the effects of the Puritan colonists (ie, repressed sexuality). In Japanese culture, they are more openly talkative about the subject, even in products that you wouldn't think (ie Mario for example, and other supposedly all-ages goods). Still...*shudders with you* This is an even bigger thing for me because this is my favorite RPG series of all time, and I refuse to have it soiled in any manner such as this! ...Then again, we still have Flurrie... And the pianta mafia... And the murder mysteries in Glitzville... And the Shadow Queen stealing everyone's soul... ...Know what? Forget I said anything. Haha. I think its okay; they put such jokes in their for the humor. |
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Post by Sarisa on Jan 3, 2011 1:09:11 GMT -5
@cheat-master : [Princess Eclair is presumed to be human] because Luigi felt in love with her. Interspecies romance isn't unusual in the Mario series - for goodness' sake, the basic plot is that a giant, bipedal, fire-breathing turtle is completely infatuated with a human princess and has no idea how to get her attention appropriately. There's even a precedent in the same game for a Goomba-human romance in Goombella's feelings for Mario. Your argument isn't any better. There's no proof that it IS the Goomba King outside of the Japanese name, and if it WERE meant to be the Goomba King, WHY would they change it for the US release? Mistranslation is another longstanding Mario tradition. Remember Kuribo's Shoe? |
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Post by Vent on Jan 3, 2011 7:50:23 GMT -5
They eventually did change it back to Goomba's Shoe in the second revision of the SMB3 cartridge.
Either way, I'm not buying that the villain of Luigi's tall tale was Goomboss. There's little precedent for it to be him and the lack of consistency with the name isn't helping.
By the way, could someone please explain to me why it's so importing for it to be Goomboss? What benefits does it give us? What does it ADD?
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Post by Sarisa on Jan 3, 2011 11:51:43 GMT -5
It's simple acknowledgment of the fact that a character named クリキング (Kurikingu) appeared in the original version of PM, SM64DS, and TTYD. Without proof to the contrary, there is no reason to assume they are different characters.
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Post by PDoogan on Jan 3, 2011 12:20:41 GMT -5
@cheat-master : [Princess Eclair is presumed to be human] because Luigi felt in love with her. Interspecies romance isn't unusual in the Mario series - for goodness' sake, the basic plot is that a giant, bipedal, fire-breathing turtle is completely infatuated with a human princess and has no idea how to get her attention appropriately. There's even a precedent in the same game for a Goomba-human romance in Goombella's feelings for Mario. I like to think that Luigi assumed she was a human throughout his quest and when they finally met, she turned out to be a goomba or boo and he was really turned off.  According to the movie she would be.......part dinosaur? (ew) |
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Post by Koopalmier on Jan 3, 2011 12:41:30 GMT -5
Your argument isn't any better. There's no proof that it IS the Goomba King outside of the Japanese name, and if it WERE meant to be the Goomba King, WHY would they change it for the US release? Japanese AND French name. And I'm sure the French version isn't the only one to follow the Japanese one. A character with this name appears in three games. A character with the exact same name is mentionned in another game. Why would it NOT be the Goomba King ? Further: the first game he appeared in was Paper Mario. It'd make sense that they are two separate characters if it was in two separate Mario series - after all, inconsistencies can happen if the devellopers of a game aren't too aware of what happens in another game and accidentaly make a character with the same name, but here both games are made by Intelligent Systems and one is the sequel to the other. So they definitely know there is a Goomba King character considering they made it. Then a character called Goomba King is mentionned in the sequel. Tell me how does that mean it's not the same character. |
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Post by SMBBQ on Jan 3, 2011 17:05:42 GMT -5
By the way, could someone please explain to me why it's so importing for it to be Goomboss? What benefits does it give us? What does it ADD? 1. "Important" is the word you're looking for. 2. Continuity. Having a minor character from the first game appear again in it's sequel adds a little more to the story. It shows that Goomba King/Goomboss isn't forgotten. |
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 3, 2011 17:30:47 GMT -5
Nintendo always seemed to be good at not letting old characters be completely forgotten. I mean Smash Bros references just about all of the Nintendo Video Game Stars that haven't gotten games in a while. Anyways... I don't think we really needed JAP wikipedia confirmation to know that Goomba King and Chesnut King are one and the same. It was said a loooong time ago.
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Post by Vent on Jan 3, 2011 19:45:21 GMT -5
According to the movie she would be.......part dinosaur? (ew) > Using the movie as basis for anything. 2. Continuity. Having a minor character from the first game appear again in it's sequel adds a little more to the story. It shows that Goomba King/Goomboss isn't forgotten. Super Mario 64 DS and Mario Kart DS did that well enough. I'm still not buying the "Chestnut King is also Goomba King" theory. He just doesn't seem like final boss material and there's no real reason for him to play such a role in Luigi's story. |
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Post by thedude3445 on Jan 14, 2011 12:43:27 GMT -5
Nintendo always seemed to be good at not letting old characters be completely forgotten. Wart and Tatanga.  |
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