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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 29, 2010 21:16:18 GMT -5
It's from Wikipedia, so it should be taken with a grain of salt, but here are some interesting facts (?) I found there.
- Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels is an "alternate universe" version of Super Mario Bros.
- Same goes for SMG and SMG2.
- Goomboss, Goomba King and Chestnut King all have the same name (Kuri King).
- Super Mario Sunshine happens right after Super Mario 64.
- The Donkey Kong who appears in the Mario vs. DK series isn't Cranky Kong ; the series does follow Donkey Kong Country's canon and thus the DK of that series is the current one.
- Apparently, Pauline isn't stated to be Mario's love interest in the Japanese version (manual included) of MvsDK: Mini-Land Mayhem. Although the ending does show a heart, it's still not directly stated.
- The Koopa Legends book in Paper Mario is actually about nude female Koopa pics.
- The movie you must give back to Goompa in Paper Mario is called You-Know-What and is apparently an adult movie.
- Same for the disc you must give back to Bestiovius in SPM.
- Super Mario World 2 isn't part of the main series at all.
What do you think about these ? Do you think it's plausible that SMB:TLL is an alternate version of SMB (actually, Peach's bio in Mario Superstar Baseball states she's been kidnapped 10 times between the start of the series and the events of the game, which means that either The Lost Levels, Super Mario Bros. or Mario Pinball Land isn't canon) ? I'll try to find more things.
Also, thanks to Sarisa for the infos about PM's jokes.
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Post by SMBBQ on Dec 29, 2010 21:56:55 GMT -5
1. Certainly possible. It is a little too similar...
2. I can understand that for one of the two.
3. Common knowledge.
4. Plausible.
5. You all know my stance on these games.
6. I think American canon should overule this.
7. *shudder*
8. *shudder*
9. *shudder*
10. Dislike.
All in all, pretty interesting stuff.
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Post by PDoogan on Dec 29, 2010 22:07:03 GMT -5
So, I guess it doesn't really count for much of anything... Anyway... The only thing that caught my eye is the goomba king fact. I'm not talking about the part about Goomboss and King Chestnut being the same guy, but anyone who knows their Japanese Mario enemies knows that kuri is refering to kuribo. This just confirms that the Japanese public thinks he was a goomba too. |
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Dec 29, 2010 22:09:04 GMT -5
- The Koopa Legends book in Paper Mario is actually about nude female Koopa pics. - The movie you must give back to Goompa in Paper Mario is called You-Know-What and is apparently an adult movie. - Same for the disc you must give back to Bestiovius in SPM. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 29, 2010 22:12:20 GMT -5
So, I guess it doesn't really count for much of anything... Anyway... The only thing that caught my eye is the goomba king fact. I'm not talking about the part about Goomboss and King Chestnut being the same guy, but anyone who knows their Japanese Mario enemies knows that kuri is refering to kuribo. This just confirms that the Japanese public thinks he was a goomba too. ... What ? It's obvious it's a Goomba ! Well, it WAS one before being turned back to normal, but still ! And I personally didn't know Goomboss WAS the Goomba King. It's from Wikipedia, but sometimes Wikipedia can be a great source. I'll rather try to prove these, or to find a source. |
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Post by PDoogan on Dec 29, 2010 22:16:12 GMT -5
There isn't a single official mention of the Chestnut king being a goomba in the English game. Unless the player knows that kuribo means "little chestnut man" in Japanese, they would never get the connection. .............Also, I kinda figured out the whole "adult video" thing on my own.  EDIT: Oh, hey I just realized why you would say it was obvious. I was on the Mario wiki page for king chestnut and I saw that the French version does specificly refer to him as a goomba. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 29, 2010 22:25:11 GMT -5
There isn't a single official mention of the Chestnut king being a goomba in the English game. Unless the player knows that kuribo means "little chestnut man" in Japanese, they would never get the connection. But everyone knows that the Japanese knew all along it's the Goomba King. The French did, too. What do you mean ? That you already guessed these were "adult movie" jokes ? Well, it was kind of obvious, even in the English version. Now that I think about it, all Paper Mario games (including SMRPG) had at least one "perverted" joke. Makes me want to kill people who are saying Mario is aimed at kids. Bowser doesn't recognize Luigi in Super Princess Peach. I don't know if it's the same in the English version, though. |
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Dec 29, 2010 22:26:51 GMT -5
He doesn't recognize Luigi, anyway.
Or have I been playing too much M&L lately?
...Or am I confusing that with Rhythm Heaven again?
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 29, 2010 22:38:04 GMT -5
The "he doesn't recognize Luigi" thing started with Mario & Luigi 1. If he doesn't recognize him in SPP either, then it's nice to know that the spin-offes aren't only based on the main series, but on other spin-offes too.
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Post by Vent on Dec 30, 2010 21:18:00 GMT -5
- Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels is an "alternate universe" version of Super Mario Bros. Well, it IS essentially the same game but with different levels and features, so why shouldn't it be? This was announced shortly before the game was even released, so I dunno how this is supposed to be new. It's pretty grrr obvious that Goomboss and Goomba King are the same character, but the the Chestnut King dealie seems a bit odd? Is he also supposed to be Goomboss/Goomba King or is he a completely new character with a coincidentally similar name? Not really sure WHY it says this or what purpose it's supposed to serve. Seems like needless continuity shuffling, almost like it came from a fan who wants to pretend the spin-off games don't exist. Maybe next time you'll listen the next time I tell you your theories about canonocity are based purely on conjecture.  Ha. I always had a hunch that's what they were supposed to be. Looks like I was right all along. I knew this forever. Once you realize that the "Super Mario World 2" prefix isn't on the game's Japanese release it's pretty grrr obvious. |
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Post by ddshoeshowz on Dec 31, 2010 8:21:49 GMT -5
- The Koopa Legends book in Paper Mario is actually about nude female Koopa pics. - The movie you must give back to Goompa in Paper Mario is called You-Know-What and is apparently an adult movie. - Same for the disc you must give back to Bestiovius in SPM. BELIEVE ME! NOR CAN I! But, then again, I've noticed that Japanese cultures takes a slightly different view of sexuality that seems...odd and sometimes inappropriate to a Western culture that still feels the effects of the Puritan colonists (ie, repressed sexuality). In Japanese culture, they are more openly talkative about the subject, even in products that you wouldn't think (ie Mario for example, and other supposedly all-ages goods). Still...*shudders with you* |
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 31, 2010 8:31:14 GMT -5
BELIEVE ME! NOR CAN I! But, then again, I've noticed that Japanese cultures takes a slightly different view of sexuality that seems...odd and sometimes inappropriate to a Western culture that still feels the effects of the Puritan colonists (ie, repressed sexuality). In Japanese culture, they are more openly talkative about the subject, even in products that you wouldn't think (ie Mario for example, and other supposedly all-ages goods). Still...*shudders with you* Only America then. France has as much problems with sexuality as Japan does. Really, I think the problem is only with America. But I don't know anything about other cultures, so... In the American version only. We're talking about the Japanese continuity, here. Should I even take you seriously anymore ? Or does that mean you know next to nothing about widely known facts ? The Chestnut King IS the Goomba King / Goomboss. This is from Wikipedia. As you said about the previous thing (SMS happens right after SM64) the Mario parts of the wiki are made by fans, which also means there are many sourceless statements that aren't very likely either. It still has the "Super Mario" prefix though, so it could get confusing. |
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Dec 31, 2010 8:46:22 GMT -5
BELIEVE ME! NOR CAN I! But, then again, I've noticed that Japanese cultures takes a slightly different view of sexuality that seems...odd and sometimes inappropriate to a Western culture that still feels the effects of the Puritan colonists (ie, repressed sexuality). In Japanese culture, they are more openly talkative about the subject, even in products that you wouldn't think (ie Mario for example, and other supposedly all-ages goods). Still...*shudders with you* This is an even bigger thing for me because this is my favorite RPG series of all time, and I refuse to have it soiled in any manner such as this! ...Then again, we still have Flurrie... And the pianta mafia... And the murder mysteries in Glitzville... And the Shadow Queen stealing everyone's soul... ...Know what? Forget I said anything. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 31, 2010 8:51:57 GMT -5
This is an even bigger thing for me because this is my favorite RPG series of all time, and I refuse to have it soiled in any manner such as this! You call funny jokes "soiling" ? Seriously ? You sound like some American channel regulated by angry catholic mothers, or something. Or are you kidding yet again ? |
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Dec 31, 2010 9:04:23 GMT -5
Yes, I'm kidding again. Don't worry.
You should expect something like this from me by now.
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 31, 2010 9:08:19 GMT -5
Meh, you never know.
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Post by Indigo on Dec 31, 2010 9:42:32 GMT -5
The Chestnut King IS the Goomba King / Goomboss. Hm... I respectfully disagree, actually. The Goomba King and Goomboss are probably the same, but the Chestnut King? I do believe his name was just a coincidence, perhaps even a shout out to the Goomba King for those who knew his Japanese name. I'm also pretty sure that the "Chestnut" in his name was going along with the pastry-themed names of places and people in Luigi's quest, like Princess Eclair, Minister Crepe, the Strudel Continent, the Pudding Continent, and the Waffle Kingdom itself. Chestnuts do taste pretty good in these kinds of foods, if I may say so myself.  Also, if one thinks about it, it really makes no sense for the Goomba King and the Chestnut King to be one and the same. I mean... how would it make sense? But this is just my two bits, and I could be totally wrong. |
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Post by Vent on Dec 31, 2010 13:11:41 GMT -5
In the American version only. We're talking about the Japanese continuity, here. It was announced before the game's American release date was even given, Captain Know-it-all. Should I take YOU seriously anymore? Since WHEN is this "widely known"? ...How? |
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 31, 2010 17:50:19 GMT -5
It was announced by Nintendo of America, Sergeant Disagreable. Since... I don't know... it was discovered ? Super Mario prefix generally equals Main series. Only a few games with this prefix are spin-offes (Super Mario Kart and Super Mario RPG). Indigo : So you mean it's a character with the same name as a reference to the Goomba King ? And that such a character was chosen because of the food theme ? I agree with the last part, but the first ? Why'd it be another character who happens to have the same name, even further when this character appeared in the previous game of the series ? And why'd it make no sense ? We had no hint of him being human in Paper Mario because it was most likely not thought about yet, nor in Mario 64 DS because it has no relation to the plot. And he appears in MKDS because all SM64DS bosses must appear in it. |
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Post by Vent on Jan 1, 2011 2:51:54 GMT -5
Simple answer: the Kuri/Chestnut King referenced in Paper Mario 2 is not the same character as the Goomba King/Goomboss. Luigi's story really has little to no relation to any other Mario game at all outside of the fact that Luigi's partners are the usual enemy drone species. What reason would they have for making a random sub-boss be the villain of Luigi's story? Actually, it wasn't. It was transcribed from a preview in Famitsu. NoA didn't confirm it until after. Remember: YOU'RE the one who's known for being disagreeable around here, not me.  |
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