The Mushroom Army

[Sarisa]

Dec 19, 2010 14:34:27 GMT -5 Koopalmier said:

Thanks. I don't own a Wii, so I'm behind on my game plots. Does the Japanese say ƒJƒˆê‘° or ƒJƒ‰¤‘?

... What are you talking about, exactly ? About the Japanese name of the Koopa tribe / troop ? I don't know, I own the French version (duh).

Sorry, I thought you might have imported the thing from Japan, being more of a fan. The Japanese words I used were kame-ichizoku (the Koopa race, or, in the old NA translation, the Turtle Tribe) versus kame-oukoku (the Koopa Kingdom).
Do you use an old version of Internet Explorer without Japanese support?

[Koopalmier]

Nope, I use a recent version of it, and I see these Japanese symbols (not inside the quote, but inside the original post). I simply can't understand Japanese (duh).

[Sarisa]

It's weird that your quote mangled the Japanese, then. That's usually a problem associated with older computers.

Learn katakana - just 46-48 symbols (two are obsolete), and most interesting names are printed in katakana or kanji (2100 symbols, so a much harder slog).

[Koopalmier]

I can't learn my multiplication table, you see. My memory is about as good as a goldfish's, and it gets even worse when I try learning things manually. Thus, I learn thing unconciously. That can be a good or a bad thing.
In other words: I'll eventually know all katakanas and probably hiraganas but on a very long time span, by falling on random Japanese text and somehow caring about it.

[Vent]

In SMRPG, the area around Peach's castle is just called "Mushroom Castle

It's called "Mushroom Kingdom" last I checked. And part of the whole ambiguity stems from the fact that it's never stated whether most areas in the RPGs are actually part of the Mushroom Kingdom or not (like Rogueport, for example).

[Koopalmier]

In the Japanese version, it's called Mushroom Castle. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Rogueport is most likely not part of the kingdom - Goombella says, after learning of Princess Peach's presence in the city: "THE Princess Peach ? From the Mushroom Kingdom ?" or something. At least it indicates that they aren't in the Mushroom Kingdom. Now, I'm not trying to prove it is part of the kingdom or not.

[Sarisa]

Dec 19, 2010 20:00:25 GMT -5 Koopalmier said:

Rogueport is most likely not part of the kingdom - Goombella says, after learning of Princess Peach's presence in the city: "THE Princess Peach ? From the Mushroom Kingdom ?" or something. At least it indicates that they aren't in the Mushroom Kingdom. Now, I'm not trying to prove it is part of the kingdom or not.

Princess Peach implies that it is, since she ends up in Rogueport on a trip around the Mushroom Kingdom. I can send you the letter with translation if you're interested.

[Koopalmier]

I don't need it, the French version is a translation of the Japanese one.

With the logical connection between Shiver Mountain and Fahr Outpost, Rogueport shares the same coast as Twilight Town and Toad Town. Considering how the MK is most likely not an island, they stopped at Rogueport for provisions, and they didn't continue (or do again) their trip after the game, it's most likely that they planned to backtrack and then visit the west side of the kingdom.

Sorry if I'm not clear, I'll post an image if you don't understand.

[Your Buddy Bill]

'K, I'll just say what i said in Power-ups: In my TCG, some are born with the sub-type 'Hero', which increases abilities, enables power-up use, etc. Humans just have a ridiculously high chance of being born that way.

As for the army, yeah, the Shroobs may have taken out all the good warriors, but they couldn't have turned them into shroob mushrooms, as Baby Tears restores those to their former states. Some army members (or all) were likely imprisoned in the Forest to be drained at the Vim Factory. They may not have ever been freed, as nothing else ever mentions them again, though Toadiko was freed from the tree when she became a shroob mushroom. Anyway, the current military isnt very good, as Peach is a diplomat, not a warrior. She relies on the Mario Bros for that. Now, Peach may have numerous plans for the deaths of the Mario Bros. Here they are, in no particular order:

Plan 1. Absorb the Koopa Troop if Bowser dies first

Plan 2. Beanbean kingdom alliance results in aid or merging of the two kingdoms

Plan 3. Use a large part of any Royal Treasury that has escaped the notice of Bowser, use the money to buy the best mercenaries of the land (assuming Bowser doesn't hire them first)

Plan 4. have a messenger get to the Glitz Pit and ask Jolene to send all the best fighters

Plan 5. Free the Shroobs from Bowser's Preservation Chamber and ask the Princess (NOT the elder, who would just kill everyone present) shroob to join forces, as the Shroobs are militant and the Princess shroob is a VERY motivational speaker, likely on par with Hitler, judging by her audience's responses.

Plan 6. Reactivate and reprogram any old Smithy-era robots around, likely quite a few, judging by the number of foes Mario beat up. In addittion, reactivate and/or reprogram just about all robots that pop up. Possible exception: the Topmen.

Plan 7. Can you say 'hammer suits'?

Plan 8. ask King Boo for assistance. King Boo will compete with Bowser, given the opportunity (MKDD and MKWii)

Plan 9. Stand on top of a space ship shooting energy orbs at insectoid alien bio-ships (lol couldn't resist the Vectorman 2 reference)

Plan 10. Give Wario thirty grande burritos and drop him in the middle of an enemy army. As long as it doesn't KO the pilot, too.

Plan 11. Find all the Fawfulized things around, including the Fawful creatures without any sort of non-fawful form i.e. fawflant, fawflopper, crawful, and put them to work.

Plan 12. Ask Sir Grodus for assistance, or ask Johnson the X-naut Deserter to gather a nice army. Johnson must be a deserter because All the x-nauts in the scene in pmttyd had ?'s over their heads when Crump asked for Johnson

Plan 13. Have Nastasia get all WILLING bleck forces together, as in non-brainwashed people, and have them act as a temp army

Plan 14. ask other kingdoms such as Nimbus Land for help, pointing out Mario's favors for them if need be.

Plan 15. Put a Yoshi egg behind a large crew of Bowser's walking one-to-four file. Put Poochy in front of them.

[cheat-master30]

Dec 20, 2010 15:44:07 GMT -5 Your Buddy Bill said:

'K, I'll just say what i said in Power-ups: In my TCG, some are born with the sub-type 'Hero', which increases abilities, enables power-up use, etc. Humans just have a ridiculously high chance of being born that way.

As for the army, yeah, the Shroobs may have taken out all the good warriors, but they couldn't have turned them into shroob mushrooms, as Baby Tears restores those to their former states. Some army members (or all) were likely imprisoned in the Forest to be drained at the Vim Factory. They may not have ever been freed, as nothing else ever mentions them again, though Toadiko was freed from the tree when she became a shroob mushroom. Anyway, the current military isnt very good, as Peach is a diplomat, not a warrior. She relies on the Mario Bros for that. Now, Peach may have numerous plans for the deaths of the Mario Bros. Here they are, in no particular order:

Since I'm a bit bored, a quick evaluation of these, in terms of plausibility...

Plan 1. Absorb the Koopa Troop if Bowser dies first

If Bowser ever dies, you're pretty much as screwed as if Mario did. Why? Because Bowser is basically nigh invincible, he could probably live if someone nuked the Mushroom World multiple times, and he could definitely survive a black hole or three. Either Peach waits the inevitable long time until he dies of old age or... well... the Mushroom World really is screwed.

Plan 2. Beanbean kingdom alliance results in aid or merging of the two kingdoms

Probably the most plausible. The Beanbean Kingdom also has a fairly decent army apparently (and border control), so they might somehow improve the state of the Mushroom Kingdom's defenses.

Plan 3. Use a large part of any Royal Treasury that has escaped the notice of Bowser, use the money to buy the best mercenaries of the land (assuming Bowser doesn't hire them first)

Who? Okay, you've got Wario I guess, who's probably tough enough to survive nearly anything (assuming he lives longer than the Mario Bros), but... it's Wario. He's really freaking greedy. He'd be a risk in terms of possibly just taking everyone's money and still working for no one.

You've maybe got the Mario villains who aren't yet dead/are revived/went missing, but... there's a few issues there. None are particularly honourable, and they no qualms at all about turning on others on a whim for power or random evil acts. Whether you think real world thieves and criminals have a twisted sense of honour or any kind of loyalty is a bit moot... Mario villains of any importance don't, and would be just as likely to just turn on both sides. I can honestly see Fawful or Dimentio basically deciding to go to war against both sides out of personal self interest/gain.

WarioWare/Donkey Kong/Mario RPG side characters... Unknown how many have any fighting ability.

Mario Partners from RPGs, is a good possibility though. I mean, they're all generally heroic, and all tend to be highly skilled at combat.

Plan 4. have a messenger get to the Glitz Pit and ask Jolene to send all the best fighters

Possible. The Armored Harriers? They are literally invincible to everything bar being thrown at each other.

Plan 5. Free the Shroobs from Bowser's Preservation Chamber and ask the Princess (NOT the elder, who would just kill everyone present) shroob to join forces, as the Shroobs are militant and the Princess shroob is a VERY motivational speaker, likely on par with Hitler, judging by her audience's responses.

Interesting idea, but why do you think the Shroobs would help Peach and the like?

Plan 6. Reactivate and reprogram any old Smithy-era robots around, likely quite a few, judging by the number of foes Mario beat up. In addittion, reactivate and/or reprogram just about all robots that pop up. Possible exception: the Topmen.

Do we even know if those spinning top things are robots? Mario Wiki says so, but hey, I don't think there's much in the game about it, is there?

Reprogramming Smithy's 'robots' (more like somewhat living magical weapons with sentinence) could be tricky.

Plan 7. Can you say 'hammer suits'?

True.

Plan 8. ask King Boo for assistance. King Boo will compete with Bowser, given the opportunity (MKDD and MKWii)

Assuming the villain who beat Mario is Bowser, correct?

Plan 10. Give Wario thirty grande burritos and drop him in the middle of an enemy army. As long as it doesn't KO the pilot, too.

Or just throw him in the middle and say he can have all the cash he can get.

Plan 11. Find all the Fawfulized things around, including the Fawful creatures without any sort of non-fawful form i.e. fawflant, fawflopper, crawful, and put them to work.

How?

Plan 12. Ask Sir Grodus for assistance, or ask Johnson the X-naut Deserter to gather a nice army. Johnson must be a deserter because All the x-nauts in the scene in pmttyd had ?'s over their heads when Crump asked for Johnson

Is Grodus even in a workable condition? He's currently just a head with about four troops.

I think the other X-Nauts may have just disbanded.

Plan 13. Have Nastasia get all WILLING bleck forces together, as in non-brainwashed people, and have them act as a temp army

Why not just brainwash your enemies into obediance?

Plan 14. ask other kingdoms such as Nimbus Land for help, pointing out Mario's favors for them if need be.

Fair enough. Plausible.

Plan 15. Put a Yoshi egg behind a large crew of Bowser's walking one-to-four file. Put Poochy in front of them.

Fair enough.

[Your Buddy Bill]

plan 1: Koopa troop deserters may be common
plan 6: yes, when you jump on them, their heads pop up on springs. They may not be true enemies of Mario, as they are often necessary for navigation. More on that later. But any machine-mades evidently don't say anything. And if Peach got her hands on Smelter...

Plan 8. Add Petey Piranha to the mix. In nsmb, bowser jr. woke him up, and when Petey looked around, he only saw Mario, and logically assumed it was Mario who woke him. Explain the truth.

Plan 9. I take it you didnt get that reference. 3rd bonus level: Plan 9. As described. Called internally 'invader'.

plan 11. Drop them in the middle of the enemies. They hate Bowser, too.

Plan 12. Then get all the #$@#ing deserters, duh!

Plan 13. That would make Peach even worse than Bowser. As bad as Bleck. I mean, some of those unusual guard monsters were probably created by Bleck for the sole purpose of acting as guards.

I rest my case. Or maybe not.

[Vent]

So....what exactly is the point of discussing how Peach would kill Mario??

[Le Mario Bro]

I think what BuddyBill meant was if the Mario Bros died in action, she would still be able to assure the safety of her people.

[kingkoopa]

Well there is one more option that no one mentioned

OPTION: Convince DK that Bowser stole his Banana Hoard

[Vent]

I don't really think anybody can stay permanently dead in the Mushroom Kingdom do long as there are 1-up Mushrooms. I imagine anyone who does stay dead probably didn't have any on hand or anybody to use it on them.

[Clive Koopa]

I don't really think anybody can stay permanently dead in the Mushroom Kingdom do long as there are 1-up Mushrooms. I imagine anyone who does stay dead probably didn't have any on hand or anybody to use it on them.

What's the difference between a 1-up mushroom and a Life Shroom?

[Koopalmier]

Dec 26, 2010 23:54:11 GMT -5 Vent said:

I don't really think anybody can stay permanently dead in the Mushroom Kingdom do long as there are 1-up Mushrooms. I imagine anyone who does stay dead probably didn't have any on hand or anybody to use it on them.

1-Up Mushrooms apparently only bring back from K.O., as in the Mario & Luigi series 0 HP = K.O. However, in the Paper Mario series, 0 H.P. = Game Over = Death so Life Shrooms can bring back from death (probably before the user's soul can go to the Underwhere).

But it doesn't matter. They just have to wish for the Stars that they win every battle, and they won't have any problems.

[PDoogan]

Your idea makes sense, but I think the only reason the ML series didn't use a K.O for a game over is because you played as both brothers.
Paper Mario could have played the same way but there was no true 1-up in that game, so your partners couldn't bring you back to life.

[SMBBQ]

Doesn't the idea of resurrection being commonplace seem kinda out there? I'm much more inclined to believe that 1Up Mushrooms and Life Shroomsare both just medicine.

[Artemendo]

My thoughts on 1-Up Shrooms and Life Shrooms from Waluigious:

-1-Up Shrooms are obviously giving the user a chemical boost in case of death, since they require consumption to work - a 1-Up Shroom in your pocket won't help a thing, illustrated quite well in the Mario & Luigi series. Also, one can assume the effect wears off after a while, should the eater not die - explaining the Bros.' loss of lives between the games (and the occasional game with lives resetting upon turning off the console). A possible way for them to function is storing some chemical component in the bloodstream after digestion (or even instantly through the taste buds), which is then activated by some body reaction to death - either by the blood flow stopping or some signs of rigor mortis. The chemical then releases energy - enough to reactivate the bloodstream and to force the brain to control healing of whatever wound or condition caused the death. 1-Up Shrooms seem to work better if they are already (best, recently) ingested or are forced into the recently dead person's mouth - to reanimate beings that have been dead for quite a while, other methods are needed (see Bowser Jr's potion pot in NSMB).

-Life Shrooms from the Paper Mario games, on the other hand, can't be explained without involving magic. The basic difference between a 1-Up Shroom and a Life Shroom is that a Life Shroom won't revive you if you've eaten it before dying, and instead will only work the intended way if you leave it in your pocket - then it will come out and resurrect you. This looks strangely similar to the already mentioned Zelda fairies... one can assume the magic of the mushroom detects when its bearer is dying, bursts out and showers the corpse with a substance similar to the one the 1-Up Shroom uses, but working topically instead of internally. One question is left unanswered, though - how do the Life Shrooms revive Mario's fallen pals if all items in the inventory are clearly carried by the mustachioed protagonist? It could be that the magic detection field extends spherically about 2 meters into all directions of the mushroom, and that it picks up ANY dying beings within this area. Surprising evidence for this lies in the fact that Mario always stands back from his enemies - and always runs back to his initial position before any enemy can die after his attacks (watch the baddies' defeated spinning animations). This way, the Life Shroom cannot pick up the death aura of the adversaries, leaving its power to be used by Mario's party only.

Basically, they resurrect only the very recently dead. Like some sort of magic CPR or something.