Babies

[Koopalmier]

To be honest, I don't think the sports games are canon. Mario and Metal Mario at the same time ? Bowser and Dry Bowser ? Rosalina wasting her time in insane car racings ? Err...

As for the "babies" matter, I'd like to make you remember that the Time Machine comes back to the present after a while. How do you think it came back at the start of the game ?

Nintendo keeps adding baby characters because they need stuff to fill the holes, that's all.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

Wait, how do you figure that? I think that maybe,... the babies just keep the time machine in their time, and then whenever its nap-time and Toadsworth or whoever is supposed to be baby sitting them isn't looking, they all get together and take the time machine into the future so they do sports and stuff with their older selves. >.>

They only stay in the future though for the time that nap-time last, just....because,...then at the end of nap-time (maybe they bring a watch or something with them) but at the end they take the time machine back to the past, hide it, and then pretend like they were sleeping the whole time.

Wait,..I haven't been here in a while and I just remembered something,.. how and when do Mario and Luigi get to Brooklyn??

edit:
Koopalmier, o hey, I didn't think anyone else would be posting around this time. I think you're right that that stuff makes no sense. I mean, how is there gonna be Mario, Shadow Mario, and Bowser Jr all at the same time? Do they go make into the not so distant past to make that stuff happen? I guess that's the only other explaination unless that's II Paintisimo in that shadow Mario outfit or something.

I still haven't played the Galaxies yet, but I remember there was one video where there were like a lot of Marios running around, what was that all about?

[Koopalmier]

The Marios running around are the Cosmic Clones. Check the Mario Wiki article on that.

I doubt they'd waste their time messing up with the space-time continuum. I know the only Mario characters that aren't mentally ill are Rosalina and Kamek but it shouldn't go too far. M&L2's ending also looks much more like a "we'll never forget you" than a "see ya later".

Also in the Nintendo products Mario and Luigi never got to Brooklyn. Hell, in my continuity only Mario's adventures count (GB version of Donkey Kong, platformers and RPGs) so Mario may've never got to Earth. Which makes sense because... I'll make a topic about that, go to bed and check out tomorrow.

[PDoogan]

Not sure if i said this before in an old topic, but it's worth repeating for the newer members. I think this traveling forward in time did have an effect in the future. It's a bit hard to follow so bare with me:

Ok, let's say adult Mario goes back in time to bring his baby self to a sporting event. While baby Mario is in the future, he is aging just as he would normally. But assuming he is later sent back to his own time shortly after the time he left, (so no one would realize he was missing) he would still have aged however long he had been in the future.

This would explain why so sources say Mario is older than Luigi despite the events of YI: because baby Mario has been in more games (i.e: in the future) than baby Luigi, thus making him that much older.

[EpicGyllynn]

Jul 16, 2010 12:29:39 GMT -5 PDoogan said:

Not sure if i said this before in an old topic, but it's worth repeating for the newer members. I think this traveling forward in time did have an effect in the future. It's a bit hard to follow so bare with me:

Ok, let's say adult Mario goes back in time to bring his baby self to a sporting event. While baby Mario is in the future, he is aging just as he would normally. But assuming he is later sent back to his own time shortly after the time he left, (so no one would realize he was missing) he would still have aged however long he had been in the future.

This would explain why so sources say Mario is older than Luigi despite the events of YI: because baby Mario has been in more games (i.e: in the future) than baby Luigi, thus making him that much older.

I said the same thing in my argument against the babies appearing in the Spin-Offs, because they age when in the future they couldn't have remained Babies as long as they have!

[Koopalmier]

... Being twin doesn't mean having the exact same age. A baby can be born a few minutes before his twin.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

As long as the babies don't spend too much time in the future, then no one would notice anything strange in their aging rate, but it kinda also depends on the time that they go back to.

If they go back to the time they left the past or before that then they would have aged with respect to the age they should have been at that time, but if they returned to the past at the time of there leaving + the time the spent in the future then they would have aged normally with respect to their own time.

They could probably even do something like return to the past at a latter time than the time they left + they time they spent in the future. They still would have aged, but with respect to their own time, everyone and everything would have aged even more so they would technically be younger than they should.

[PDoogan]

Jul 16, 2010 15:27:19 GMT -5 Meta Black Yoshi said:

As long as the babies don't spend too much time in the future, then no one would notice anything strange in their aging rate, but it kinda also depends on the time that they go back to.

If they go back to the time they left the past or before that then they would have aged with respect to the age they should have been at that time, but if they returned to the past at the time of there leaving + the time the spent in the future then they would have aged normally with respect to their own time.

They could probably even do something like return to the past at a latter time than the time they left + they time they spent in the future. They still would have aged, but with respect to their own time, everyone and everything would have aged even more so they would technically be younger than they should.

...Ok I understood everything but the very last sentence.

Also, I doubt that they would go back to a time before they left because that would cause there to be two baby Marios in the same time period...which would be weird.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

Oh srry, there was a typo in the last sentence. But it just says that they can spend a little time in the future, and then take the time machine back to a time that's a lot past the time when they left (so more time has past in their time than they spend in the future time).

So basically, they would be traveling into the future, and then traveling back in time to a less future. It's kind of hard to explain.

[PDoogan]

Oh ok, I see what your saying now.
The only problem with that is that someone from the past (i.e their parents) would notice they've gone missing.

[Koopalmier]

I think it's quite obvious their parents died during the Shroob invasion.
Either they got kidnapped during the attack of Toad Town, either they escaped to Toadwood Forest and still got trapped.

I personally think the sports-and-other-crap spin-offes shouldn't be confused with the "actual" series. In the Mario sports game, Mario appears like a deity of some sort (like Santa Claus) (see Mario Power Tennis on GBA) and it is made to be logicless. Plus the ending of M&L2 quite show that the babies won't ever go in the future again. I think debating about that is a bit useless.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

OK, so does this mean that all the sports games can be considered non-cannon? Or just the part about there being babies, or was this already the accepted idea? I don't remember, srry, I haven't been here in a while.

[Koopalmier]

I don't know about the accepted idea, I'm new. But I personally think everything leads to believe the sports games aren't canon. Or at least not important to the actual series, if they are set on Earth.

[kingkoopa]

Sports games are canon because Luigi mentions them along with the Mario Party games in Paper Mario.

[Koopalmier]

You see in the same game that Peach's parties are nothing like the Mario Party games, so the same may apply to the kart, tennis and golf events. I also doubt their kart races are about throwing Bob-Ombs to each other.

[kingkoopa]

Who said that Peach's parties were the Mario Parties?

[Koopalmier]

"The previous party was fun!" - A Toad in the debut of the game
+ the fact Peach is apparently known for throwing many parties.
+ the fact you see Earth in Mario Party games.

[kingkoopa]

But in the Mario Parties the parties never start because Peach is throwing a party, it starts because they want to see who is the superstar out of all of them or for the newer ones they are trying to stop Bowser from ruining wherever they are at.

[pseudodino]

The baby characters seem like fillers to me, just so that you get more of a choice. IMO, it's stupid and lazy.

[kingkoopa]

Yeah they really should add more original characters than just a lot of babies. But hey, the babies are actually good characters to pick in some sports games.