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Post by Rex on Jul 4, 2007 18:26:32 GMT -5
Why do most people consider the sports games not cannon?
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Post by Meta Black Yoshi on Jul 4, 2007 22:12:24 GMT -5
Prolly becauese they find it hard to beleive that arch enemies would ever get together to play a friendly game of golf.
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Post by Toomai on Jul 5, 2007 6:06:38 GMT -5
I suppose you could compare it to Hitler of the 1930s. He was always friendly with the other world leaders.
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Post by shadowgoomba on Jul 6, 2007 16:33:08 GMT -5
Spin-offs also make it very complicated because they bring back characters that don't exist anymore or are different form of a another character. Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, Metal Mario, Dr. Mario, Shadow Mario, and DK Jr. are examples. Also, they bring in third-party characters like the ones from Final Fantasy in Mario Hoops 3-on-3.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Jul 6, 2007 16:41:44 GMT -5
Its possible that all the sports games featuring good guys and bad guys together are set in the future when they have made their peace and stopped fighting.
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Post by Rex on Jul 6, 2007 18:33:24 GMT -5
That can't be. The mario kart games all have racetracks from previous games but not future ones(for obvious reasons).
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Post by Toomai on Jul 7, 2007 9:09:00 GMT -5
I think it's time for my Nintendo Unity theory to come into play. This theory is based on the fifth dimension theory. There is a universe in which all Nintendo characters live. Or at least, this is where their consciousness lives. The characters themselves exist in the native universes as well, with the same personalities and everything, but do know know the existance of the other worlds. Anyway, this "hub" universe houses all the characters. The supreme being (Nintendo in reality) has the option of doing a temporary memory wipe and sending the characters to create a story in their native worlds. Once the story is deemed over, the consciousness transfers back to the hub, with all memories intact (including the new ones). In the hub universe, there is no true hate towards the other characters. Sure, Mario doesn't like Bowser very much, but he never really decides "I'm sick of this guy, let's get rid of him". And while Luigi and Waluigi will argue and fight sometimes, it never degenerates into true hatred. However, such feelings and amplified in the native universes, creating the Mario vs. Bowser situations and such. Therefore, the solution is this: Adventures take place in the characters' original universes, with only memories of that universe. Sports games and other competitions can take place in the hub universe, where there's enough hate to cause rifts but not enough to cause a war. And time is constantly passing in the hub universe, but adventures can take place in any time period for the individual worlds. As for the "supreme being"... well, I can't think of anything other than Crazy Hand making the problem (Bowser takes Peach) and Master Hand creating the solution (Mario saves the day). | Pros | Cons | | Timeline theories are somewhat irrelevant/not needed. | Why would some characters have their consiousness split into two ages? | | Sports games can be canon without interfering with adventures. | Some adventures refer to sports games, memory wipe leak? |
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Post by shadowgoomba on Jul 7, 2007 10:41:22 GMT -5
Very nice, but what about third-party characters? Also, almost all of Mario's adventures refer to others in some way or another.
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Post by PDoogan on Jul 7, 2007 11:47:53 GMT -5
Well, since we're throwing theories around, I mind as well say what I think...
I always assumed that the bad guys cooperated because they would love the opportunity to show off how much better they are at said sport then any of the good guys, especially in front of a large crowd.
I already posted my theory on baby Mario/Luigi in some other thread (I belive it was the one that argues who is older) So I won't really get into all of that.
As for the extra Marios (i.e shadow, metal, ect.) I'm guessing those were just extras added by Nintendo to make the game worth playing through by having extra unlockable charactes. You have to realize that in reality, there are no "unlockable" things. Whatever is in there, is there to begin with.
3rd party characters could be explained by the theory stated above, sinse they're never playable at the begining of the games.
An alternate idea could be that because it's been shown that the Mario characters are aware of Nintendo's exsistance (At least as a game company, not as their creator) It's Nintendo itself that aranges that these extra characters show up. Sort of like a sponsor of an event aranges for different stars to make an appearence.
(Whew! that was a lot of writing!)
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Post by shadowgoomba on Jul 7, 2007 13:41:07 GMT -5
I guess that would make sense. But some unlockables have to exist if the games are canon. Mario was an unlockable in Mario Golf, and obviously he needed to be part of the event.
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Post by Toomai on Jul 7, 2007 16:09:14 GMT -5
I always defined unlockable characters as having some other job to do first, showing up late, or just being invited later. Unlockable locations and items could have been under construction at first.
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Post by Clive Koopa on Jul 7, 2007 16:31:10 GMT -5
Or unlockable characters could have also been higher ranked/seeded players who automatically qualified for later rounds.
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Post by kingkoopa on Aug 8, 2008 20:59:52 GMT -5
I think it's time for my Nintendo Unity theory to come into play. This theory is based on the fifth dimension theory. There is a universe in which all Nintendo characters live. Or at least, this is where their consciousness lives. The characters themselves exist in the native universes as well, with the same personalities and everything, but do know know the existance of the other worlds. Anyway, this "hub" universe houses all the characters. The supreme being (Nintendo in reality) has the option of doing a temporary memory wipe and sending the characters to create a story in their native worlds. Once the story is deemed over, the consciousness transfers back to the hub, with all memories intact (including the new ones). In the hub universe, there is no true hate towards the other characters. Sure, Mario doesn't like Bowser very much, but he never really decides "I'm sick of this guy, let's get rid of him". And while Luigi and Waluigi will argue and fight sometimes, it never degenerates into true hatred. However, such feelings and amplified in the native universes, creating the Mario vs. Bowser situations and such. Therefore, the solution is this: Adventures take place in the characters' original universes, with only memories of that universe. Sports games and other competitions can take place in the hub universe, where there's enough hate to cause rifts but not enough to cause a war. And time is constantly passing in the hub universe, but adventures can take place in any time period for the individual worlds. As for the "supreme being"... well, I can't think of anything other than Crazy Hand making the problem (Bowser takes Peach) and Master Hand creating the solution (Mario saves the day). | Pros | Cons | | Timeline theories are somewhat irrelevant/not needed. | Why would some characters have their consiousness split into two ages? | | Sports games can be canon without interfering with adventures. | Some adventures refer to sports games, memory wipe leak? |
Or Nintendo knew that people would like to play as rivals in sports games. Go figure! |
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Post by thedude3445 on Jan 23, 2009 19:00:27 GMT -5
Unlocking could be a game-only element in which they are actually there at the start, but only in the continuity, not the game.
Metal Mario could possibly be a manifestation of metal that is only partially alive like the Boxes in Mario Galaxy. I stick to my theory that Dr. Mario is a relative of Mario, and therefore they can be together. Shadow Mario is just Bowser Jr trying to rig the tournament of course.
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 23, 2009 22:39:55 GMT -5
Or unlockable characters could have also been higher ranked/seeded players who automatically qualified for later rounds. I just thought of something... maybe the unlockable characters are people who felt like the game (generally speaking) was not much of a good idea but agreed to participate if someone could get past a certain area or do something special. That may be why you always have todo something special in the game in order to unlock a character |
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Post by shadowgoomba on Jan 23, 2009 23:42:13 GMT -5
Unlocking could be a game-only element in which they are actually there at the start, but only in the continuity, not the game. Metal Mario could possibly be a manifestation of metal that is only partially alive like the Boxes in Mario Galaxy. I stick to my theory that Dr. Mario is a relative of Mario, and therefore they can be together. Shadow Mario is just Bowser Jr trying to rig the tournament of course. Mario's bio in SSB says he's worked as a doctor. They're definitely the same character. |
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Post by thedude3445 on Jan 24, 2009 12:32:17 GMT -5
Aww. Not cool man. I wonder if he really got a medial PhD though...  |
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Post by shadowgoomba on Jan 24, 2009 13:44:08 GMT -5
Considering he spends all of his life saving the world, he gets special privileges... As for Shadow Mario, an interesting possibility is that he's actually Il Piantissimo, who found the magic paintbrush at the end of Super Mario Sunshine...it's a shame that they never expanded on this cliffhanger longer. Il Piantissimo's awesome. Even if he seems pretty racist towards Mexicans... |
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Post by thedude3445 on Jan 26, 2009 16:04:02 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I remember that cliffhanger! I was so excited when I saw it, but I haven't bothered to beat SMS since 2003, so I had completely forgotten! Maybe this is just build-up for NewSMB 2: SMS, a sidescroller with F.l.u.d.d.! |
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Post by kingkoopa on Jan 28, 2009 19:41:01 GMT -5
Super Mario Sunshine 64 on Newgrounds is probablly as close as a side scroller with F.L.U.D.D. will get
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