A possible Mushroom World Globe?

[thtryhsrt]

In Super Paper Mario during Chapter 7-3 you come across a talking cloud who wants to get bigger. When you jump on it the cloud flings you all the way into space.While you are up there you can briefly see a shot of a globe which I believe to be the Mushroom Earth.

Any thoughts?

[Meta Black Yoshi]

Although I havn't played the game yet, I think it's Mushroom Earth(ME).

[PDoogan]

Well I always thought i has kind of obvious. Unfortunately, considering it was a Paper Mario game, it wasn't a very good quality picture.

[Toomai]

Oh, that. I don't think it's Mushroom Earth for the following reasons:

1. It was a low quality, very non-factual image.
2. The Mushroom Kingdom is elsewhere - SPM doesn't take place on the same planet. (Presumably.)
3. If you're in a sub-dimension of the dead, why would you see a planet?

Therefore, I postulate that scene is non-canon. It's trivial anyway, it could be removed form the game with no effect.

[thtryhsrt]

To my knowledge it was commonly believed until the widespread use of Astrology that Heaven was quite literally above the Earth. Hence you being able to see the Earth from orbit.

And while it was kinda non factual the same could be said of any other map seen in the other games since none of them are designed with the other games in mind.

Besides one could explain the whole see the Earth from orbit thing with the fact that Mario's physics don't follow ours.

[Meta Black Yoshi]

I think I'll probably have to play the game to understand.

[shadowgoomba]

thtryhsrt said:

Mario's physics don't follow ours.

We can't say that. Physics don't change. Physics are the one thing that you can ALWAYS accept as being true. If we don't accept those, then there's no point in this forum because we can just say whatever we want.

[Rex]

It's an alternate universe, who says it's physics can't be different. After all, it IS a video game. If we try to accept the physics in both worlds as being identicle, then we'll never get anywhere, because they are NOT the same. On a side note, quit shooting down peoples ideas just because they conflict with the physics of OUR world.

[shadowgoomba]

Sorry if I sounded offensive to anyone. But I'm really getting tired of this "physics are different" idea. It just seems like too easy of a way out. And, regardless of whether Mario's universe is a video game or not, I truly believe it exists somewhere as existance is infinate. Yes, you can say that an object will stop for no reason after being pushed, or that it only takes a small amount of energy to meld together large masses, but it would conflict everything we have discovered for the past two hundred years.

[Toomai]

I really want to say something long-winded and informative, but I can't put it into words. Suffice to say that physics cannot be broken, but they can be bent.

[shadowgoomba]

Let me help. Say that the physics were different. Everything happens after something affects it, correct? Knowing that, there would have to be an opposing force to make the physics different. But wait! Since all laws of physics ommit these forces, the Marioverse has the same physics after all.

[PDoogan]

Well I always thought the laws of physics were slightly different there. It is another dimension, right? Who says the laws of physics there have to be the smae as here? Besides, how else could people change direction while jumping and be squished flat without getting killed and all those other cartoon-like oddities that commonly happen in the mushroom world take place?

[shadowgoomba]

Because there's another unknown force or forces at work. Doesn't mean the physics are different. Simply being in a different place isn't enough to justify breaking the laws of physics.

[Toomai]

Ah, that's what I wanted to say. The opposing force would be magic, which we know is present in the Marioverse.

Of course, we want to avoid using magic as a cheap way out. Such is the conundrum.

[thtryhsrt]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWWUfu6P1bw

The Globe Shot can be seen in 18:36

[shadowgoomba]

Magic is a far better explanation than physics being different. To say they are different is to say something happens for no reason. At least magic has cause and effect.

[Rex]

This is like trying to explain a cartoon, people can walk on air, survive explosions of dynamite, and their eyes bug out of their skulls. How do you explain it? You can't, especialy if you take physics into account.

[shadowgoomba]

Well if it is absolutely impossible to try and make sense of Mario's world, then I guess we don't need this forum.

[Toomai]

Can you peeps calm down a little? Sheesh...

This forum was intended to explain the Marioverse physics in a way that would make them make sense in our world. (Well, we do social interacions and location mapping too, but this seems to be the primary work.) We know for a fact that the Marioverse physics are different than ours. But they still follow the most basic laws of physics. So we try to explain the differences.

Of course, we can just use magic (a physics-defying force by definition) to solve everything. But that is boring, cheap, and unsatisfying. Sure, some things can only be explained by magic, but everything else shouldn't be.

Remember also that technology, if sufficiently advanced, may be indistinguishable from magic.

(The preceding post is Toomai's opinion, and his opinion only. It is not intended to offend, but because the system logged me out and therefore forced a retype, it may seem offensive.)

[shadowgoomba]

Again, like Toomai I'm not trying to be mean to anyone, but the physics aren't different if something defies them. Such a thing is like saying jumping defies the law of gravity. The only way physics can be different is if something happens for absolutely no reason. I've seen people on this forum explain things I never thought possible (Toomai comes to mind). So try and put a little more effort into your explanations, because that is what we are trying to do: explain things. The that's-just-the-way-it-is attitude some of you have been having will get us nowhere. Again, I'm not trying to be mean or pick on individuals. That is never my intent. I just want people to see the other side of things, which is why I joined this forum. It unites my three great loves: Nintendo, debate, and science.