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Post by Claws on Jun 13, 2006 12:45:07 GMT -5
This thread is to establish where different game universes physically exist in relation to each other. For example, the Mario Universe occurs in the Mushroom Dimension on Mushroom Earth and at times on Donkey Kong Island in our dimension on our Earth. The Donkey Kong Universe occurs in our dimension on our Earth on Donkey Kong Island and the surrounding islands and at times in the Mushroom Dimension on Mushroom Earth.
Let's figure out where game universes such as Zelda, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Metroid, etc. take place (basically, the game universes featured in the SSB series).
Sorry if my universe terminolgy is confusing. Revise it in any way you like.
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Post by PDoogan on Jun 13, 2006 13:38:40 GMT -5
I always thought all the games took place in the same univerce, but on different planets and/or galaxies.
As for the Donkey Kong series, I think thats on earth. Nearly all of the featured animals are earth animals, only smarter.
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Also, might I go out on a limb and voice my idea that the Starfox series and wherever the Animal Crossing games take place are probably related? They both contain anthro animals, just in two different styles.
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Post by Toomai on Jun 13, 2006 15:15:41 GMT -5
Here's what I see: Each game world is in its own dimension in the Nintendoverse, which is part of the Gaming Continum, a realm created by humans. It is easy to cross between Nintendo dimensions as they are somewhat linked (explaining most cameos), but it is very hard and/or dangerous to cross from one gaming universe to the next.
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Post by Claws on Jun 18, 2006 15:59:12 GMT -5
Here's my take:
As I said, Mario lives in the Mushroom Dimension on Mushroom Earth. However, I think this terminology is incorrect. Dimensions are the spatial parameters we use to define where something is. We commonly perceive three macroscopic dimensions plus time, but there are actually many more microscopic dimensions (probably eleven). Now, I have only the slightest understanding of modern physics, but from what I got from The Science Channel's Most of Our Universe is Missing, in the eleventh dimension, there are many globular universe-things floating around. When two converged, 13.7 billion years ago, our universe was born. It is also said that there are infinite parallel universes. In one of these parallel universes, the universe as we know it formed similarly, but one planet in this universe ended up as Mushroom Earth. Our Earth did not form in this universe, which should probably be called the "Mushroom Universe" instead of the Mushroom Dimension. Although the latter is a common way of phrasing things in science fiction, it is technically incorrect. And because I'm incredibly anal about technicalities, I'm going to call it the Mushroom Universe from now on. I'll continue this later; my laptop's almost out of battery life.
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Post by PDoogan on Jun 18, 2006 19:05:09 GMT -5
Ah yes, I learned about the whole infinite universe theory from a show on String Theory. I'm a bit unsure what your saying in that middle section, but if I understand correctly, your saying the universe the Mushroom world is in is similar, but not identical to ours. That makes sense, but a big part of the Mario franchise is that fact that people (or things) have had the opportunity to go back and forth between the two worlds. So where most of the inhabitants of the Mushroom World originally came from could be debated, although it's most likely a mix from both planets.
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Post by Yoshi Master on Jun 19, 2006 19:41:57 GMT -5
My brain hurts....
Metroid, F-zero, Halo: future, our universe
Mario: The "Mushroom Worlds Universe", also contains Kirbys planet Popstar
DK: On the Mushroom World
Zelda: 600 - 400 years ago in the "Mushroom Worlds Universe"
Subcon: In a third universe containing Star World
And a fourth universe containing the Special Zone, Subspace, and the thin strips of matter between the warp pipes portals. Also has the space for PM2's strange sack item ( holds 20 items ). And various other space for the links between worm holes, black holes, and... I dunno, hell I geuss.
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Post by PDoogan on Jun 19, 2006 19:53:47 GMT -5
Ok, this is getting a bit out of hand. Although this is Mariology, I think we may be trying to dig a bit too deep here. There can't be a future/past thing because of of SSB and various cameos etc. For now think we should just stick with the Real World and the Nintendo universe just for simplicity sake. A universe is a big place, and the probability that quite a few civilizations (each one being a Nintendo franchise) popping up is not that unlikely.
Also, Subcon exists not a another dimension, but as a realm the exists in ones dreams (everyones dreams really) Hence the term Subcon (sub-conscious) The Star Realm is just located very high above the planet.
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Post by Yoshi Master on Jun 20, 2006 16:32:48 GMT -5
Well if we can ever think up a good enough explanation for SSB I'll consider it canon. The sports games have some loose ends but this is just in the extreme.
And everything could just be spread out across the universe.
Or galaxy.
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Post by Toomai on Jun 20, 2006 19:43:08 GMT -5
What about wormholes? They're tunnels between four-dimensional space-time. Going through one would change not only your location (plot device for sci-fis), but your time period. So going through a wormhole would bring you back a few years and change your [x,y,z] position, and the return trip would do the same thing in reverse.
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Post by Yoshi Master on Jun 20, 2006 20:13:35 GMT -5
Going through one would change not only your location (plot device for sci-fis), but your time period. So going through a wormhole would bring you back a few years and change your [x,y,z] position, and the return trip would do the same thing in reverse. How do you know, has this been tested? |
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Post by Toomai on Jun 20, 2006 20:20:02 GMT -5
How do you know, has this been tested? It can't be tested, but it's true according to Einstein. It's part of string theory and black hole explinations and all that. |
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Post by Claws on Jun 22, 2006 0:09:32 GMT -5
I picked up Brian Greene's The Elegant Universe, which is an explanation of string theory, so maybe that will help my understanding out a little.
Okay, there is our universe with Donkey Kong, Conker, Banjo, and Cooper (of Grabbed by the Ghoulies) all living somewhere on our Earth. Then there's the Mushroom Universe with Mario living on Mushroom Earth and Popstar somewhere in the universe.
Things I'm not sure about are Metroid and Zelda. I don't feel like Zelda fits in with Mushroom Earth, but it's kind of a stretch to say that there was this entire world of kingdoms on our Earth in the middle ages that nobody knew about. Metroid would fit nicely in our universe's future, but in SSBM Zebes is shown as being right next to Popstar. Some have explained this away by saying that that was just a portal to Popstar. F-Zero happens in our universe's future, most likely. Pac-man (hey, Mario's in Pac-man Vs.) probably lives on his own planet in the Mushroom Universe. Earthbound and Pokemon most likely are set on our Earth.
Let's work through some of these things.
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Post by Toomai on Jun 22, 2006 6:47:59 GMT -5
Zelda on Earth is definately out because there's no magic on Earth. I'm thinking Hyrule could be on its own planet in some universe (it wouldn't matter which one).
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Post by PDoogan on Jun 22, 2006 11:15:03 GMT -5
. I don't feel like Zelda fits in with Mushroom Earth It dosen't have to. Just because something is set on an earth-like planet, dosen't automaticly mean it's our planet. In fact, all the games could take place in the same univerce. That would explain why the characters never run into eachother. (except for in SSB) Although I do agree with you about the Rare games being set on Earth. |
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Post by Toomai on Jun 22, 2006 14:11:02 GMT -5
If they were all in the same universe, then the spacefaring characters would have to be realllly far from the other planets to not link existances...
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Post by PDoogan on Jun 22, 2006 14:33:49 GMT -5
Well, a universe is a pretty big place...
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Post by br0kebusta on Jun 23, 2006 21:35:21 GMT -5
SSB never actualy happened. It was in the imagination of some kid.
If you remember the original SSB. In the introduction, a kid goes into his room and starts playing with toys. The reason why we never see the kid is because the intro is in first person. But I think Master Hand is his own hand.
And In SSBM, I think the kid simply grew up a bit and started collecting more Nintendo toys.
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Post by Toomai on Jun 24, 2006 11:17:18 GMT -5
SSB existing would open up whole new possibilites for fan works and is the easiest way to explain cameos.
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Post by Yoshi Master on Jun 24, 2006 17:08:14 GMT -5
Hmm, Master Hand could have made all the little trophys and turned most of them into real objects and people. Then for amusemnet set them loose on each other. The survivor fought Master Hand and won, but since Master Hand made them, they turned back into trophys.
I have no idea where all this takes place.
All the future games don't exist because it's not the future right now.
Having anything on earth would be unlikly because we would have found it by now.
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Post by PDoogan on Jun 24, 2006 19:38:34 GMT -5
What about other cameos? Samus appears in Kirbys Dreamland 3, there are pikmin in Mario Golf Toadstool Tour, there's a Yoshi doll in that Zelda game for the Gameboy who's name completly eludes me right now...
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