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Post by cheat-master30 on May 11, 2011 18:17:46 GMT -5
Could also be the normal King Boo?
I know Mario Wiki goes off the Japanese names, but it struck me that nothing really says the Japanese writers can't basically screw up horribly.
Yes, many internet geeks are freaking otaku/weeabo who think 'OMG the Japanese original is always perfect!', but it could very easily just be a mess up on the part of one of Mario Sunshine's writers.
It's not a new thing to happen, many translations correct plot holes and mistakes made by the original writers (or at least attempt to) and it seems way more plausible than two identical characters existing seperately.
Then again, might it be deliberate? Maybe some smart alec noticed that all other bosses are called 'Boo [mook name]' and thought 'King Teresa' looked a bit jarring in comparison. Heck, there's nothing say 'Boss Teresa' can't be the same as 'King Boo'/'King Teresa'. All it means is that the character is a boss and is a Boo, and that could easily mean it's an existing Boo character.
Thoughts?
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Post by kingkoopa on May 11, 2011 20:57:09 GMT -5
... I always thought they were the same. Just because the original names are different doesn't mean anything, there is no point in making them different characters.
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Post by Koopalmier on May 12, 2011 6:19:39 GMT -5
Boss Boo first appeared in Mario World. Then in Mario 64. Then King Boo appears in Luigi's Mansion. Then Boss Boo appears in Mario Sunshine. Then Boss Boo and King Boo are the same character in Mario 64 DS, confirming that pre-Mario Sunshine Boss Boo is King Boo.
However, I think that "Boss [Thing]" is the name for an army chief within the Koopa clan. So, after King Boo was trapped inside a painting, Bowser had to make another Boo the new army chief, but that Boo failed his mission and King Boo eventually got back from his painting so he took back his role but kept his "king" title.
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Post by PDoogan on May 12, 2011 9:36:47 GMT -5
I would say no, but all the boo's in that game look a little...wasted. So Making king boo look like that fits the style.
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Post by boodestroyer on May 12, 2011 19:41:54 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that we'll never see the likes of the King Boo from Luigi's Mansion again (or the other portrait ghosts, for that matter, some of whom were quite interesting). The Mario Sunshine one was a step back too.
It seems they're now sticking with the one that debuted in Mario Kart: Double Dash. At least this seems like a solid enough design that can last for a while.
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Post by Koopalmier on May 13, 2011 5:20:44 GMT -5
To give an in-universe explanation, King Boo may have kept some of his power inside the Bowser Suit and now he's weaker than before because he doesn't have all his power. That's why he doesn't have red eyes and a blue tongue anymore.
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Post by Koopalmier on May 14, 2011 8:50:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Super Mario World's Atomic Boo boss is called Boss Boo. I can't exactly remember where did I see that, so I could be wrong.
Same for Super Mario 64.
I don't know about the Japanese version, but in my version of Mario 64 DS "Big Boo" from the original version became "King Boo" (even the level was renamed from "Big Boo's Mansion" to "King Boo's Mansion"). So I go with this for now.
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Post by PDoogan on May 14, 2011 10:39:28 GMT -5
I thought King Boo's name was literally translated to "boss boo" in Japanese. Just like Petey Piranha's name is is translated as "boss piranha"
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Post by Koopalmier on May 14, 2011 20:37:50 GMT -5
Well, if the original version says so, I don't see why'd I disagree. So, Boss Boo and King Boo are separate people. That makes things more simple, actually.
But then I don't see any reason why SMS Boss Boo would be King Boo if they never were the same character nor were ever intended to be.
And, well, I think Boss Boo got himself a crown so that he'd actually look different from a regular Atomic Boo.
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Post by boodestroyer on May 15, 2011 4:58:15 GMT -5
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Post by Koopalmier on May 15, 2011 11:48:36 GMT -5
"Are they the same character, or at least related ?"
... But I'd say no. Lakitu Kings are randomly encountered Lakitus who happen to be extremely rich and drop money. Giga Lakitu is the current boss of the Lakitus of the Koopa Troop. Nothing but the crown and the species make them similar.
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Post by Le Mario Bro on May 16, 2011 16:43:15 GMT -5
Agreed. Anyway, where was Boo boss in Sunshine? I haven't gotten all the way through it yet... If I remember correctly, it was Mission number 3 or 4 in Hotel Delfino. |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on May 16, 2011 20:53:20 GMT -5
What if Boss Boo is SM64 and SMS are the same person, but after King Boo was sealed away in Luigi's Mansion, Boss Boo took over his role? Maybe Boss Boo was King Boo's son, or nephew or something? What do you guys think?
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Post by kingkoopa on May 16, 2011 20:56:13 GMT -5
Let me see...
Mission #1 was Phantamanta
Mission #2 was one of those no-FLUDD levels
Mission #3 was a Yoshi Level
Mission #4 must have been the first time you enter the casino
Mission #5 can only be the King Boo level as it came directly after the first casino level
Mission #6 Phantamanta return right?
Mission #7 Shadow Mario
Mission #8 Red coin hunt I think.
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Post by Koopalmier on May 17, 2011 4:20:56 GMT -5
What if Boss Boo is SM64 and SMS are the same person, but after King Boo was sealed away in Luigi's Mansion, Boss Boo took over his role? Maybe Boss Boo was King Boo's son, or nephew or something? What do you guys think? I personally think that it goes like this: - Boss Boo is the leader of the Boo army within the Koopa clan. - King Boo is a Boo unrelated to the clan. - King Boo learns how Mario keeps beating up Boos during his adventures and decide to get rid of both him and Luigi. But he fails and is trapped within a painting. - To do like Goomba King / Goomboss, King Thwomp, Big Bob-Omb and Chief Chilly, Boss Boo gets himself a crown. - King Boo escapes from the painting but leaves some power behind. He decides to merge his own Boo clan into the Koopa clan so that he could still try to beat Mario. He directly becomes the leader of the Boo army in the Koopa clan, and Boss Boo gets ranked down to being a normal soldier. |
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Post by Koopalmier on May 17, 2011 12:43:44 GMT -5
Yeah, when he explodes, you can see he's made out of yellow and pink goop ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPE8dtwQaE , 6:12 mark). But maybe that Big Boo was made out of goop too ? Then he may have died in Mario Sunshine... Or Bowser Jr. used his paintbrush on him to give him more powers, thus explaining the goop explosion ? ... |
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Post by Vent on May 19, 2011 11:16:40 GMT -5
Or perhaps all of the "boss" enemy drones are repeatedly recreated by Bowser every time Mario beats one. In SMS, the goop from the Gaddbrush was the creation method.
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Post by kingkoopa on May 20, 2011 15:37:23 GMT -5
No exploding Timelords on the forums.
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 14, 2011 12:56:03 GMT -5
lol it's one topic out of the hundreds on this forum don't worry  Yeah that King Boo was not the same King Boo. He looked a lot different. SMS wasn't that stylized lol |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Jun 14, 2011 16:01:47 GMT -5
I've got it! The King Boo of Super Mario Sunshine is Boss Boo from 64, amplified with the Gaddbrush, after the original was defeated in Luigi's Mansion. But now, the original is out for Luigi's Mansion 2... It all makes perfect sense!
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