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Post by Sarisa on Mar 7, 2011 21:30:01 GMT -5
I didn't think there was enough material on any other group of Marioverse species to do a classification, but there is enough material on Mushroom Folk, a group of species that make up the majority of the Mushroom Kingdom population and their close relatives.
Family Kuribidae - Mushroom Folk and allies
Two branches of Kuribidae have developed intelligence, and all members are able to walk, unusual in fungus.
Tribe Mycocephalini - Toads
This tribe contains two species, Toads and Dryites. Toads are the majority of the Mushroom Kingdom's urban population and control the government all but alone; unsurprisingly, Toads' only reliable allies among the Mushroomsphere's other races are the ruling Humans, and Toads are the only major race in the Mushroomsphere with no members in the Koopa Troop.
Genus Mycocephalus
Mycocephalus territus, Toad
Mycocephalus desertus, Dryite
Tribe Amanitini - Amanitas
Amanitas are non-sapient and very rare, only appearing in the Forest Maze outside Rose Town. As walking mushrooms with hands, though, they are the closest known relatives of Toads.
Genus Amanita
Amanita ambulans, Amanita
Tribe Kuribini - Goombas
This tribe contains the bulk of the family's species, although it is not very diverse. Goombas (all species) probably outnumber Toads (all species), but no one has been interested in going to the wildernesses where most of them live to take a census.
Genus Colocynthe
Colocynthe magus, Jack O' Goomba
Genus Kuribo
Kuribo alatus, Paragoomba
Kuribo magnalatus, Grand Paragoomba
Kuribo major, Grand Goomba, Chuboomba
Kuribo maximus, Mega Goomba
Kuribo perfidus, Goomba
K. p. perfidus, Common Goomba
K. p. umbra, Dark Goomba
Genus Kuribon
Kuribon dracolandiensis, Goombob
Genus Microkuribo
Microkuribo minimus, Micro-Goomba
Microkuribo sarasalandiensis, Chibibo
Genus Uromycos
Uromycos tanucoides, Tanoomba
Chimera
+Shroobiuromycos, Tashrooba
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Post by PDoogan on Mar 8, 2011 9:56:50 GMT -5
What about the power-up mushrooms? They may not be sentient, but they're still living things....
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Post by Sarisa on Mar 8, 2011 10:42:29 GMT -5
I'm surprised the classification itself has been quietly accepted.
Power mushrooms don't have any place to get a real handle on them; they're a different family from Mushroom Folk since they look different and don't move, and concluding that their closest relatives are Mushroom Folk because Toads have vim is strained to me. (It's still odd that Goombas aren't a viable source of vim; maybe Goombas are harder to round up, or maybe my classification and Japanese tradition are completely wrong and Toads are more closely related to power mushrooms than to Goombas.)
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Post by PDoogan on Mar 8, 2011 12:50:28 GMT -5
Goombas are said to be toads that we turned evil, so I wouldn't consider them an evolutionary branch as much as a transformed creature that managed to reproduce on it's own. So while the first goombas might have come from toads, they are no longer considered the same species.
As far as the power-ups go, who's to say that both goombas and toads didn't evolve from them? (with amanitas being some sort of intermediate stage.)
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Post by Sarisa on Mar 8, 2011 13:17:38 GMT -5
Goombas are said to be toads that we turned evil, so I wouldn't consider them an evolutionary branch as much as a transformed creature that managed to reproduce on it's own. So while the first goombas might have come from toads, they are no longer considered the same species. The treason of the Goombas must have taken place a very long time ago, since one of the four heroes of 1000 years ago was a Goomba. That's also likely, and another reason that I don't want to get into power mushroom classification; I'm assuming that mobility and arms only developed once in fungi but power mushrooms reflect the ancestral condition of being immobile, so there's no real way to tell where mobile mushrooms fit among the power mushrooms. |
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 8, 2011 16:18:40 GMT -5
Where did they say that Goombas were transformed creatures? I just think that they were allies of the Toads but envied them because the Toads were more evolved than they were. Maybe they were the low-class work force and members of the Mushroom Army (This would explain why nearly all Toads have near to no fighting ability). So when, Bowser gathered a huge threat of Turtles and other baddies, the Goombas were quick to switch sides in an attempt to gain revenge. Obiviously, all Goombas did not feel this way as there are peaceful Goomba towns.
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Post by Koopalmier on Mar 8, 2011 18:43:04 GMT -5
Officialy, Goomba aren't Toads, but they are Mushroom People. They lived with Toads in harmony, until Bowser's first takeover of the Mushroom Kingdom. That part could've been retconned though, as you don't see a single Goomba in Toad Town in the past time of M&L2 but there are some Goombas in Bowser's Castle.
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Post by Vent on Mar 9, 2011 2:28:11 GMT -5
Why are the Dryites classified as seperate from Toads? Aren't they just Toads with dark skin and rags wrapped around their caps?
Also, what's the difference between a Goomba and a "Common Goomba"?
Also also, popular fan terminology for the "Chestnut-bodied Goomba" is Goombob, after the character from Mario Party Advance.
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Post by Sarisa on Mar 9, 2011 4:13:47 GMT -5
Why are the Dryites classified as seperate from Toads? Aren't they just Toads with dark skin and rags wrapped around their caps? Goombario has a tattle that could be read as implying that they wear turbans and lack caps, instead of winding a turban around their caps. There are some immigrant Toads who don't wear Dryite costume, although if they are the same species it's cultural. Nothing; I had to give it a subspecific name to distinguish it from the Dark Goomba in the Flopside Pit of 100 Trials. Kuribo perfidus perfidus is the subspecies all other Goombas belong to, so "Common Goomba" is appropriate. Thanks! |
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 9, 2011 16:36:35 GMT -5
Isn't Goombob the name of the small goombas from Super Mario World and Super Mario Galaxy?
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Post by Koopalmier on Mar 9, 2011 17:59:33 GMT -5
Aren't the small Goombas in SMG Chibibos ? I always thought they were, considering that they are about Mario's size (although the game follows the "old-school" sizes, where Mario is a bit smaller than a Brick Block).
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 9, 2011 18:44:42 GMT -5
What is a chibibo?
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Post by Koopalmier on Mar 9, 2011 19:05:16 GMT -5
... www.mariowiki.com/ChibiboPlus Goombobs are supposed to be stronger than Goombas, as they can take a stomp from Mario without dieing, yet the small Goombas in SMG are actually easier to defeat than regular Goombas. |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Mar 10, 2011 13:34:40 GMT -5
Goomba's were not Toads, they just inhabitted the Mushroom Kingdom along with them. I imagine they joined Bowser for various reasons: Some were afraid the Mushroom Kingdom would lose, so they decided to join the winning team, others may have simply liked Bowser (His minions seem to adore him in Bowser's Inside Story).
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Post by Koopalmier on Mar 10, 2011 13:50:45 GMT -5
Or many Goombas were already part of the army (see Partners in Time), and they wanted to have a role (I guess they weren't very useful when they were in peace with Toads, as they don't have arms, are even smaller than Toads, most of them aren't exactly bright, etc) and, as you said, the kingdom was pretty much at the Koopas' hands, so they had every reason in the world to join them.
Now, let's avoid going too much off-topic...
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 10, 2011 16:24:38 GMT -5
They actually do have a purpose. They can do more damage than Toads do. So in other words, they really were the entirety of the MK's attack force. Goombas have been part of the Koopa Army for a long time. (You can see one in Yoshi's Island even) However, it seems that the Koopa Troop relied more on Shyguys at the time.
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Post by Koopalmier on Mar 10, 2011 22:03:01 GMT -5
Who knows if they can do more damages than Toad do ? After all, two mundane (but courageous) Toads were alongside the Mario Bros. in NSMBW and they did kick a lot of butts too. Sure, Goombas are much, much more courageous than Toads (to the point they'd blindly obey to Bowser and keep advancing, even if there's a botomless pit ahead), but it doesn't seem like the kingdom was under any assault before Super Mario Bros. so Goombas didn't really get the chance to protect their kingdom.
On-topic: Do you think Spiked Goomba could be more than just regular Goombas with a spike hat ? After all, the Goombas (well, Gloombas) living under Toad Town are nothing more than uncivilized monsters, yet Spiked Gloombas exist too, and they don't have any affiliations with the Koopa Tribe (considering that they're wild) so they didn't get their spike hat from there.
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Post by Sarisa on Mar 11, 2011 0:50:47 GMT -5
On-topic: Do you think Spiked Goomba could be more than just regular Goombas with a spike hat ? After all, the Goombas (well, Gloombas) living under Toad Town are nothing more than uncivilized monsters, yet Spiked Gloombas exist too, and they don't have any affiliations with the Koopa Tribe (considering that they're wild) so they didn't get their spike hat from there. I think it's unlikely, since it's described as a hat several times, it looks like a hat, and the Gloombas could have come from above or a warp pipe. |
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Post by kingkoopa on Mar 11, 2011 16:27:50 GMT -5
The Gloombas could have gotten the hats if they decided to attack bowser's troops and managed to kill a few Spiked Goombas.
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Post by rhinotaur on Mar 18, 2011 1:38:49 GMT -5
Or maybe they could have made the hats themselves. I like to think of the wild Goombas as being barbarians or bandits, not feral animals.
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