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Post by cheat-master30 on Oct 17, 2010 16:16:32 GMT -5
Well, since this board doesn't seem like to just use 'magic' as a de facto explanation, there must be some laws of physics in the series. But how in particular would they differ from the real world? From my guess: 1. There must be a difference in gravity, due to how high characters can jump despite their insane weight. Bowser's powerful for example, but have you see him jump back to the level? Him and the bosses can often pretty much jump the height of a mountain, which is just feasibly impractical if not impossible. And the Shake King can freaking FLY. 2. Something must be different to discount the square cube law in the real world: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube_lawtvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SquareCubeLawA fifty foot man for example would according to above just shatter under his own weight. That doesn't spell good news for Bowser's giant form in any game, since he's roughly a similar sized creature scaled up in size massively. And they say humongous mecha are right out (see, Megaleg, Megahammer, the Tower of Yikk and Super Peach Castle). Oh, and something about giant insects and breathing systems not scaling well with size. That accounts for quite a few Mario monsters, doesn't it? Thoughts? |
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 17, 2010 16:20:34 GMT -5
I think that's a cartoonish and fast way to show you where they go. It's like saying Mario travels at the speed of light to go from a place to another in SMRPG. Don't take the overworld physics too seriously.
And it's not like Bowser's structure stayed the same when he goes giant. Everything becomes bigger, even his DNA and cells.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Oct 17, 2010 18:27:05 GMT -5
I don't think there is a difference in Gravity, Mario & Luigi are just talented jumpers, and Bowser is freaking Magic! It specifically stated as "Magic", so even if we don't like to use it, we can't contradict the Official material. But there must be some difference in Physics, as the Mushroom World is roughly twice as large as ours, but the Gravity is relatively the same...
*Goes to study Gravitational Physics*
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 18, 2010 5:33:43 GMT -5
And it's not like Bowser's structure stayed the same when he goes giant. Everything becomes bigger, even his DNA and cells. What always gets me is how you reach the levels in the first Super Mario Galaxy. He just gets shot there. There's no real way that it's feasible unless A) Mario is made of like… adamantium, and B) there is no maximum speed (like our speed of light). I think that, when Mario is launched by a Launch Star, he goes through a tunnel of void. Thus nothing can slow him down, and he's protected by the Luma under his hat. They may be farther than it seems. Those black holes seem fake to me. They are way too slow and are way weaker than a real black hole. The only time we see black holes anywhere near Mario's planet is in SMG and SMG2 too, so I guess that it must be some magic fake black hole made by the Koopas, or dimensional disturbances that are due to the Power Star in the level.[/quote] The physics of Mario's "world" (which is most likely our world too anyway) aren't messed up at all in comparison to the Kirby world's (which is also our world). |
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Post by kingkoopa on Oct 18, 2010 18:26:38 GMT -5
Those black holes can't be real. A black hole can't exist inside of a planet and not suck the planet inisde of it. Plus the black hole would suck in any nearby light as well so you shouldn't be able to see it. My guess is that it is an artificial vaccum created by the koopas
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Post by kingkoopa on Oct 18, 2010 21:30:26 GMT -5
still though, the black hole seems to be more of a bottomless pit than a black hole
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 19, 2010 4:33:28 GMT -5
Magic / star energy.
Samus appearing in both the Mario series and the Kirby series. And the tons of similarities that lead to think the Mushroom Earth is in the same world as Pop Star (with the Star Rods, both planets sharing two species, a Star Block being on Rosalina's observatory...
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Oct 19, 2010 15:33:36 GMT -5
A Star Block... Wait what.
Where was that?
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Post by kingkoopa on Oct 19, 2010 17:37:58 GMT -5
So I assume Buoy Base Galaxy was created by Pokemon Trainers then... har har har. You know cause the one planet... nevermind
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Oct 19, 2010 22:43:07 GMT -5
Those black holes can't be real. A black hole can't exist inside of a planet and not suck the planet inisde of it. Plus the black hole would suck in any nearby light as well so you shouldn't be able to see it. My guess is that it is an artificial vaccum created by the koopas I theorized that Black Holes in the Mario Universe produce a light, but constant wave of Energy. This isn't enough to keep many things from being absorbed, but it causes something as light as, say, a layer of dirt to orbit instead of being destroyed. This would only last for a limited amount of time, though, because it would eventually cave in on itself and be destroyed. |
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 20, 2010 0:49:05 GMT -5
A Star Block... Wait what. Where was that? Somewhere on the right of the "book room" (can't remember the name). |
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Post by SMBBQ on Oct 20, 2010 9:51:38 GMT -5
Book room=Library.
I still don't know what you're talking about...
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 20, 2010 10:50:55 GMT -5
'k, then I'll make a screenshot from a video.  I admit the angle sucks, but go see by yourself if you don't see those are Star Blocks. |
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Oct 20, 2010 10:59:30 GMT -5
...I don't even wanna know how you found that...
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Post by Sarisa on Oct 26, 2010 3:44:53 GMT -5
Why isn't it reasonable that the Mushroom World has much lower gravity than ours? Mushrooms grow dozens of feet high, wings with no clear supporting musculature can carry Koopas the size of Galapagos tortoises, Mario can jump several times his own height from a standing start, etc., etc. Before you suggest that MW native species should be correspondingly spindly and weak, keep in mind how realistic MW biology is otherwise.
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 26, 2010 6:02:07 GMT -5
Because if Mario can jump this high simply because of the planet's gravity, it'd lower the character. A lot.
Also, Toads are extremely strong but are wimps, according to Toad's bio in Mario Superstar Baseball. Toadbert easily survived a 30ft high fall in Mario & Luigi 3, the Toad Brigade Captain took the same way as Mario in SMG2 (in the first mission of Fluffy Bluff Galaxy), which means he had to wall-jump, use power-ups, etc. And then you have the Toads in NSMBW, who are strong enough to rivalize with Mario. This is completely off-topic, but it explains that Toads are naturally strong, instead of being powered-up by the supposedly low gravity or by mechanical items.
Oh, wait, now I remember why I said that. The weakest species on the Mushroom Earth are humans and Punies, and humans are already a bit stronger than their Earth counterpart.
Now, on-topic:
- Giant mushrooms everywhere: this is in every magical world. Look at Alice in Wonderland.
- Wings with no clear supporting musculature: a lack of details. Or else Maro has no nostrils then.
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Post by SMBBQ on Oct 26, 2010 6:10:31 GMT -5
I don't really see your argument there, Koop. Do you mean the gravity can't be weaker because it'd lower Mario as a character?
I do agree with your bit about Toads though.
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 26, 2010 6:37:44 GMT -5
Mario's "awesomeness" comes from his jumps and strength. If it's simply due to a different gravity, Mario becomes a mere random fat guy with a cool 'stache.
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Post by cheat-master30 on Oct 26, 2010 14:05:54 GMT -5
Who says it makes Mario normal? Maybe even in lower gravity he can jump higher than anyone else.
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Post by Koopalmier on Oct 26, 2010 14:27:42 GMT -5
Well, it makes Mario less special then.
And what proves Mario could lift and throw a fortress or Bowser if the gravity became like Earth's (if it's supposed to be lower) ?
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What makes you think that?
