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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 28, 2010 1:16:51 GMT -5
...No, SMBMaster, I was talking about MY God, not The Lord of Games, lol! You thought I was talking about The Lord of Games! Lol! Wait---Should games like Perfect Dark and Banjo-Kazooie still be considered part of the Nintendo Multiverse? I say no, and as such, I do NOT consider them as even existing.
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 28, 2010 5:13:43 GMT -5
Agghhh! Well, as most of you know, I believe the Nintendo Multiverse was created by a single, Supreme Being, but if I acknowledge the Square-Enix Multiverse' existence, then He would have made Him the creator of EVERY Video Game Universe subsequently! Curse you cross-company, cross-overs! I need time to think. According to Super Paper Mario, the Ancients created EVERYTHING. The Lord of Games ? Arceus ? The Light Goddesses ? The gods of the Fire Emblem series ? The gods of the Kid Icarus series ? The gods of any series ? They are Ancients. Although I see series like Final Fantasy or Banjo-Kazooie as being in another universe, with its own version of afterlife. |
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Post by Clive Koopa on Nov 28, 2010 8:19:50 GMT -5
I thought the star spirits created everything in the Mario Universe but I've never played Super Paper Mario so I don't know about the ancients.
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 28, 2010 8:58:52 GMT -5
The Star Spirits only protect the Star Rod (the one that is on Mario's planet, at least).
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Nov 28, 2010 11:02:46 GMT -5
How many Legendaries are Ancients?
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 28, 2010 11:28:07 GMT -5
POKéMON Legendaries were made by Arceus, so they don't count as Ancients or even as anything god-like.
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Nov 28, 2010 12:06:48 GMT -5
Point taken.
I only say because we've got Pokemon that control Time and Space, Those that announce the coming of the seasons, and even those that created the world from the ground up.
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 28, 2010 13:09:30 GMT -5
Created by Arceus to help in the making of the worlds.
I assume Arceus is an Ancient who transformed himself into a beast that can't die nor age, so that he could watch over Dialga and Palkia for the eternity.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 28, 2010 14:12:33 GMT -5
Well, I can't find anything that states that the Ancients created everything, but if you can, I'd like to see it. You are wrong about one thing, though; Arceus created everything in Sinnoh Mythology, I doubt the people of the Pokemon Universe still believe that. According to Myth, in the beginning there was Chaos, then an Egg formed and Arceus hatched out of it. Arceus crafted the Universe with his 1,000 arms, and created Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina; But Giratina was corrupt, so Arceus banished him to the Distortion World. Keep in mind, this story may have some truth(Arceus banishing Giratina to the Distortion World), but it is mostly just Myth... Although I've been wrong before. Also, even if the Ancients "did" create everything, who says that they weren't created by a Supreme Being? No one says that the Almighty was created, but we assume he was. No one said Palutena was created, but we assume she was. Why can't the Ancients be the same?
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Post by Koopalmier on Nov 28, 2010 15:09:19 GMT -5
Nothing says it yet, and it'd be useless anyway.
And, I agree Arceus didn't create everything. He only created Earth, and Pokémons to regulate time and space.
I'm pretty sure the game (my version, at least) states that the Ancients created all worlds, and Flipside and Flopside too.
Here's what I could find on the Mario Wiki page:
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 28, 2010 16:45:30 GMT -5
I always assumed they were just referring to the Sub-Dimensions featured in Super Paper Mario, but I guess that it's open to interpretation.
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Post by SMBBQ on Nov 28, 2010 19:12:59 GMT -5
As all great mythology is...
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Post by kingkoopa on Nov 29, 2010 19:03:35 GMT -5
Well I did reead this whole Arceus theory thing stating that Dialga Palkia and Giratina are responsible for creating some of the legendaries who are in turn responsible creating other legendaries until it gets to the point where all the legendaries were created. But about the whole video game multiverse and everything. Maybe there is one person who created the dieties of each video game world. (Not counting realistic games like Halo and CoD those games are too realistic to be anything but... movies that came out at Yoshi Theater 3 years ago
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Post by Sarisa on Nov 30, 2010 18:29:26 GMT -5
Seems like a pretty typical adaptation of the Chinese wu-xing (five element) system to the European four-element system
Wind~air~wood - spring
Fire - summer
Earth - late summer
[Metal - autumn]
Water - winter
I can't connect the balls to the elements, but water is traditionally the element of wealth.
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Post by PDoogan on Nov 30, 2010 21:47:53 GMT -5
Why are we even assuming Pokemon and Mario take place in the same dimension? (Or at least the same part of whatever universe all the Nintendo stuff is in.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 30, 2010 21:59:45 GMT -5
We aren't... When we were talking about Arceaus we were talking specifically about the POKeMON Universe, not Mario's. I was suggesting that Arceus(nor any POKeMON for that matter) had no role on the Religion of the people, and it was simply a Mythology widely accepted by the people who inhabited Sinnoh in ancient times.
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Nov 30, 2010 22:04:07 GMT -5
There I go, screwing everything up, just because I recently learned the joys of Pokemon...
...I'm gonna go cry in my usual corner, now...
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Nov 30, 2010 22:54:12 GMT -5
How where you the one who screwed things up, Mo-Bro... Wait. Don't tell me that you forgot to feed Yoshi again!
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Post by Koopalmier on Dec 1, 2010 6:55:00 GMT -5
NO MORE POKEYMANZ ON THIS TOPIC. please.Sarisa : That's interesting. So, Chinese 5-elements sytem + Final Fantasy 1 Crystals + European 4-elements system ?
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Post by Le Mario Bro on Dec 1, 2010 9:10:05 GMT -5
Of course I reme-!!
*Yoshi swallows head*
*muffled* ...So what if I forgot...?
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