The WarioWare series: canon or not ?

[Koopalmier]

Proofs that it's canon:
- It explains why Wario doesn't have a castle anymore
- It is slighty referenced in Mario Power Tennis
- In WarioWare, Wario is said to be a treasure hunter too, which is his role in the Wario Land series (which is definitely canon)
- Many Wario Land 4 references
- Wario's bio mentions it in Mario Superstar Baseball

Proofs that it's NOT canon:
- Looks more like a cartoon version of an Earth city than anything
- The planet has been seen twice yet it doesn't look like the Mushroom World's map at all
- It has been called "Earth" more than twice in the series

Proofs that the above proofs aren't proofs:
- Looks more like a cartoon version of an Earth city than anything We've seen much more cities like that through the Mario series.
- The planet has been seen twice yet it doesn't look like the Mushroom World's map at all It could've been a placeholder, much like how you see Earth under the Rainbow Road track in MKWii, as we didn't see the whole planet until SMG2
- It has been called "Earth" more than twice in the series But the planet has always been called "Earth". The "Mushroom World" thing came from SMB3, where it was only referring to the collection of kingdoms you go through in the game, but NoA mistook it as the name of the planet and it became definitive in Paper Mario. Plus Rosalina does call the planet "Earth" in SMG too.

So, the WarioWare series is definitively canon ! And they all lived happily after. The end.

[Artemendo]

Well, in my opinion, the happenings in the STORY of Wario Ware are true - if, I guess, a little bit exaggerated - since we know it's these people inserting themselves into the story. So every person exists and does roughly the same thing as in the games, but Dribble and Spitz's taxi probably can't fly, or other "funny/cool" elements.

The microgames themselves seem to be completely made up, though, since they feature tons of humans in different styles who seem like they're from the real world - not to mention using actual PHOTOS of humans from the real world.

[cheat-master30]

The microgames are microgames. They're made by Wario and co, and are weird because they used their imagination, and don't reflect reality in all cases. Maybe photo graphics are their equivalent of cartoon graphics, and to them are seen as comedic and somewhat unrealistic? Maybe for them, a TV show of 'Earth' is their equivalent to a Mario game?

As for your other points... we don't have an 'in canon' map of the whole Mushroom World. We've got fan maps, but Nintendo haven't made an official one.

But with that said, where is Diamond City in comparison to Mushroom Kingdom? Or the Wario areas? It has to be near the Wario areas, because they're mentioned in WarioWare and arguably vice versa.

[SMBBQ]

I still follow that Diamond City is a previously unseen location of Kitchen Island.

[Artemendo]

Kitchen Island seems to be inhabited mostly by pirates, and also to be quite small. Diamond City is a metropolis, or at any rate the biggest city in any Mario game. Do you have any actual hints at it being on Kitchen Island? It's near the sea, so it might be on an island...

[cheat-master30]

Well, Kitchen Island only looks small on the map, the levels are huge (seriously, Syrup Castle is absolutely massive), and so Diamond City could probably fit nicely in the area of Parsely Woods. I mean, it's not a huge metropolis or anything, more like a town than a city.

This is a huge metropolis to some?

www.mariowiki.com/images/6/68/Diamond_City_WWMM.png

And from Mario Wiki:

In WarioWare: Twisted! it can be seen that Diamond City is located on an island.

[Artemendo]

It is a huge city because it appears in many games, yet always has new stuff in it, the background has lots of tall buildings, there is a stadium, a toy megastore, own radio and TV stations, own music charts, a taxi service! I mean, no other city in the Mario universe even requires cars to get around, but taxis? That would mean there are lots of people who need to get around distances they can't normally walk. And also, there are cars.

[cheat-master30]

Mushroom City? We haven't even visited all of that place in the games...

[Koopalmier]

Aug 23, 2010 13:40:41 GMT -5 cheat-master30 said:

The microgames are microgames. They're made by Wario and co, and are weird because they used their imagination, and don't reflect reality in all cases. Maybe photo graphics are their equivalent of cartoon graphics, and to them are seen as comedic and somewhat unrealistic? Maybe for them, a TV show of 'Earth' is their equivalent to a Mario game?

As for your other points... we don't have an 'in canon' map of the whole Mushroom World. We've got fan maps, but Nintendo haven't made an official one.

But with that said, where is Diamond City in comparison to Mushroom Kingdom? Or the Wario areas? It has to be near the Wario areas, because they're mentioned in WarioWare and arguably vice versa.

You can see all the continents in SMG2. I "made" this map by observating.
And I don't see why Dribble and Spitz's taxi couldn't fly. This IS the Mario / Wario series after all. Where someone once made a vacuum-cleaner to trap ghosts, spit fire, water and ice blocks.

Also, Diamond City is definitevely on an island, but it takes the whole island (see WarioWare Twisted... I think). The exact location of that island is unknow and can't be know for now.

[cheat-master30]

The taxi flying is fine, it's in the character's stories in Touched, right? So it's perfectly fine by Mario canon and physics, and happened.

[SMBBQ]

If it's not on Kitchen Island, I'd say its at least close by. I try and segregate series into their own regions of ME.

[Vent]

A while back I came up with this inane theory that Diamond City was located in Jewelery Land (from Yoshi's Safari) if only because of it's name and the fact that we've never seen much of Jewelery Land outside of that one game.

Naturally this doesn't hold much water but I was just hypothesizing.

[shadowgoomba]

There's a train and buildings in Parsley Woods. There's probably a town nearby.
This could very well be Diamond City.

[Artemendo]

Now that I think about it, there is a big forest near Diamond City, the one Kat and Ana do their... foresty adventures in. Still, it's just a forest and it's very far from actual evidence.

[EpicGyllynn]

I think it being in the Jewelry Kingdom is possible, I mean, Mushroom City is in the Mushroom Kingdom, so why can't Daimond City be in the Jewelry Kingdom?

[cheat-master30]

I like that idea personally. It expands on an area we've seen only once in a past Mario game, and the naming means the place would fit right in within the Jewelry Kingdom.

[EpicGyllynn]

Yeah, but who says Kitchen Island isn't Jewelry Kingdom territory that was temporarily taken over by Pirates. But, if the Pirates do OWN said island, then maybe that's where Jolly Roger Bay is... Maybe, right?

[cheat-master30]

That's another good point. Maybe Jolly Roger Bay is part of the area near the SS Tea Cup.

[EpicGyllynn]

Yeah, I mean, who knows? That theory actually makes sense, I mean, you don't see Pirates at Jolly Roger Bay, so maybe it was left unoccupied after Wario drove Syrup out.

[Vent]

I think the locations of the painting world in Mario 64 should be relegated to their own topic. That's a whole 'nother can of worms by itself.