The past events of M&L2

[Koopalmier]

As you know, in M&L2, the Shroobs invaded the Mushroom Kingdom in the past and Mario goes in the past and stuff happens.
But I have multiple reasons to believe the Shroob invasion wasn't supposed to happen.
- Nobody remembers the invasion until the next game
- The Shroobs tried to take over the present time too. Why'd they try to take over the future ?

So, here's my theory:
The Shroobs originally tried to take over the present time. However, when they entered the atmosphere of the Mushroom World, they falled in a huge time hole due to E. Gadd's Time Machine. Then they invade the kingdom without knowing they're in the past, and they see people from the future appearing, so they start their plan to go at the time they were supposed to take over. The first part of their new plan is to send the Princess Shroob, disguised as Peach, into the future (or the present, depending on the point of view). But their plan failed, Mario and Luigi came in and destroyed them all, the end.

TL;DR The Shroobs got send in the past accidentaly, so they tried to take over the right time period but failed. After Mario and Luigi destroyed them in the past, everyone knew about the invasion, including Mario and Luigi themselves.

[Koopalmier]

Hello ? Anyone ?

[SMBBQ]

See, this is an idea I had recently. Though in my theory, they had decided to attack the past, not accidentally. Of course, this idea came from EarthBound, where Giygas had decided to attack Earth in the past.

In other words, I agree, the Shroob Invasion didn't happen originally.

[Sarisa]

The "problem" with that theory, as far as it goes, is that the Shroob invasion shifted the entire MK, from just after the Yoshi's Island series on, to the Shroobified timeline. So, if you apply simple chronophysics logic, everyone from that point on will remember the Shroob invasion, through the great Koopa invasion and beyond.

Now, if you had observers who were somehow unaffected by the rewrite of history - being in another universe, perhaps? - the two timelines could be observed, but to natives the old timeline was simply replaced.

OT: Where's Zeality when you actually need him?

[EpicGyllynn]

I like Koopalmiers Theory, it allows us to explainit without making a Split timeline theory, well, the timeline could have split during that event, but they would have rejoined after that(Causing the people to forget said Event), but that doesn't make much sense...

[Koopalmier]

Aug 22, 2010 21:53:12 GMT -5 Sarisa said:

The "problem" with that theory, as far as it goes, is that the Shroob invasion shifted the entire MK, from just after the Yoshi's Island series on, to the Shroobified timeline. So, if you apply simple chronophysics logic, everyone from that point on will remember the Shroob invasion, through the great Koopa invasion and beyond.

Now, if you had observers who were somehow unaffected by the rewrite of history - being in another universe, perhaps? - the two timelines could be observed, but to natives the old timeline was simply replaced.

OT: Where's Zeality when you actually need him?

That's what I mean. Nobody remembered the invasion before and during M&L2 because it didn't happen. Now that it happened, and that it was stopped, many people suddently remember it. In M&L2, Mario and Luigi didn't know what'd happen next in their adventure, and even asked to a Toad (who had a book of Kylie Koopa retelling the adventure, I guess the timeline was slowly changing itself at the moment) what happens at the end, and it happens the last page isn't there. Yet in M&L3 they remember everything they did as babies, and even how they destroyed all Shroobs (with baby tears). Atlhough they don't even remember the adventure as their adult selfs (I guess that, when you save the world once per week, you must get so used to it that you don't care anymore. Or the creators are simply trying to mess with us).

[Sarisa]

On second thought, I don't think we need Zeality. We've come to an agreement.

(He's a loudmouth Chrono fan who at one point spent a tremendous amount of time and effort patching up the holes in that series's chronophysics. One of his more sensible theories is that time travelers, by the act of time traveling, become immune to the history-rewriting effects of time travel.)