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Post by Artemendo on Aug 19, 2010 14:45:26 GMT -5
So, kingkoopa, let me sum up what you said.
Rainbow Stars give invincibility, speed, cool jump, color change.
Starmen give invincibility, speed, cool jump.
Now you seem to have forgotten that Starmen also make Mario change colors.
So they are the exact same!
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Post by kingkoopa on Aug 19, 2010 14:49:36 GMT -5
Hm well, it would be confusing if someone grabbed a Star and then realized that it was actually a Starman. Still even if they have the same effects, they don't look the same. Space counterpart of a Starman maybe?
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 19, 2010 14:51:05 GMT -5
kingkoopa: Most likely to avoid Confusion with Power Stars. Yep, they look different, but they're the same.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 19, 2010 21:40:59 GMT -5
Not... really. Rainbow Mario is completely red, and the flashing colors are quite deep. Invincible Mario is still colored the same, and the flashing colors are more bright.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 24, 2010 16:39:37 GMT -5
Like I said, the change was made to avoid confusion with Power Stars, and Rainbow Mario only appears red when immobile. Oh, KingKoopa, it couldn'tbe the space xounterpart of the StarMan/Super Star because they appear, on (Mushroom)Earth, in New Super Mario Bros. Wii. My guess:Rainbow Stars, along with all the other Power-Ups got lifted into space when Bowser ripped up parts of the Planet. Oh, and where did they come from originally? A "Gift from the Stars"? Leftovers formed from the Star Dust(Bits) from the Comet Observatory's last round? One theory that intrigued me, was the concept that they are the physically manifestation of wishes made by the People that the Princess would be rescued. But I don't really believe that...
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Post by Vent on Aug 24, 2010 19:19:40 GMT -5
...The hell're you talkin' about dude?
Rainbow Stars have only ever appeared in SMG1 and 2. Every other Mario game features a regular Star as it's invincibility power-up.
The idea of the Rainbow Stars having the same properties but only found in space is a good one.
A better topic of discussion would be this: Are Stars/Starmen and Power Stars the same object? Or are they two different types of objects that look the same?
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Post by SMBBQ on Aug 24, 2010 20:21:12 GMT -5
I think we can say they're different. After all, Power Stars seem to be a fuel source, whereas Satrs/Starmen are just power-ups.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 24, 2010 23:54:20 GMT -5
Actually, Dinosaur, in NSMBWii, a second or two after being freed from a Block, the Star looks JUST like a Rainbow Star. The brief instance where it looked like a Starman was little more than a homage to the Classic Mario games. If they do the same thing, and are identical, then why make them different? Ask Nintendo why they chose to change the design. Do you think it was to make a NEW power-up? No. It was to implement a familiar mechanic into a game, while avoiding confusion with Power Stars! I garrentee every future Mario game, involving PS's will use Rainbow Stars. Regardless of weather it is set in Space or not. And when that day comes, we'll know who was right. Oh, and watch the language, please.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 25, 2010 0:52:55 GMT -5
...The hell're you talkin' about dude? Rainbow Stars have only ever appeared in SMG1 and 2. Every other Mario game features a regular Star as it's invincibility power-up. The idea of the Rainbow Stars having the same properties but only found in space is a good one. A better topic of discussion would be this: Are Stars/Starmen and Power Stars the same object? Or are they two different types of objects that look the same? A single Super Star (the new name of Starmen, to avoid confusion with EarthBound maybe ?) is much stronger than a single Power Star, but a lot of Power Stars are extremely powerful and probably much more than a lot of Super Stars. My guess is that a single Power Star is somewhat weak (hey, it's made of Star Bits after all) but the more there are, the more their power multiplies itself. For instance, if a Power Star's energy level is 1, then 120 Power Stars' energy level wouldn't be 120 but it'd be 120x120. |
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 25, 2010 21:51:16 GMT -5
Weather you call them Rainbow Stars or Star Men, they aren't as powerful as Power Stars. Even if the Rainbow Star offers invincibility(Something we have yet to see from a Power Star), they last no more than a few seconds before the energy-well runs dry. Power Stars on the other hand, are constantly being fed energy, so while they can't make you invincible for 20 seconds, they could make supernaturally powerful for a Lifetime.
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Post by Vent on Aug 25, 2010 22:03:43 GMT -5
There is one thing to keep in mind: the exact capabilities of the Power Stars are never consistent, which is why I even called into question as to whether or not they're the same thing as Super Stars.
-In Mario 64, they're apparently used to unlock doors that Bowser sealed. Supposedly they were also used to power/protect the castle in some form, but this is never really explained nor does it make much sense in context, as Bowser hid the Stars inside the castle's walls or in the painting worlds. My guess is that the Stars' primary use here was to break Bowser's control over the castle, rather than as a power source.
-In Mario Party, the Stars are needed to make some sort of miracle happen on each of the board maps. In this instance they appear to grant wishes, much like the Star Kids and other wish-granting star-shaped plot devices in various Mario RPGs.
-In the remaining Mario Parties, they're only used as trinkets to determine the winner and nothing more.
-In Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, they're used to power the Comet Observatory and Starship Mario, along with Grand Stars which appear to be some sort of souped-up Power Star.
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the Power Stars are a McGuffin on the same order as the Chaos Emeralds. They can be used for whatever purpose demands of them. With this in mind, it's not unusual to assume that temporary invincibility is one of those properties, which would also indicate that the Power Stars and Super Stars could easily be the same thing.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 26, 2010 1:15:55 GMT -5
Power Stars constantly give energy, but it's still very weak and can't even be absorbed by Mario.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 26, 2010 14:46:02 GMT -5
Yeah, Koopalmier is right. And I always thought that Bowser sealed the doors WITH the Power Stars, and Mario just got enough to break the seal.
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Post by SMBBQ on Aug 26, 2010 14:52:15 GMT -5
Isn't that what the game said anyway?
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 26, 2010 14:56:46 GMT -5
Actually, the game said that the Power Stars "power up" the castle, and that Bowser stole them and locked every door in the castle before hiding the Stars into painting worlds created with said Stars... The "it gives power to the castle" part is kind of strange though. After you beat him, Bowser complains that "peace is returning to the world". My guess is that the castle's Power Stars create a spiritual link between Shooting Star Summit and Star Haven, while the world peace is due to the wishes of the planet's inhabitants. Without the Power Stars, Star Haven started its rotation around the planet (it's in orbit around it, but it doesn't move normally - due to the Power Stars ?), which started to break the seal between the Summit and Star Haven, slowly breaking the system of wishes.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 26, 2010 15:01:11 GMT -5
I agree with what you said mostly, but I think Star Haven is not physically seen, or felt, unless via Magic(Kammy Koopa in PM1), or if the Star Spirits so choose. This would also explain why it's not seen during the Galaxy games. But I think the Power Stars(along with the Bean Star, and others) are sort-of like insurance policy, that way if anything ever happened to the Star Spirits, the people would be able to continue until new Star Men took their place.
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Post by SMBBQ on Aug 26, 2010 15:01:43 GMT -5
And you call yourself the worst theorizer here.
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Post by Koopalmier on Aug 26, 2010 15:05:02 GMT -5
I agree with what you said mostly, but I think Star Haven is not physically seen, or felt, unless via Magic(Kammy Koopa in PM1), or if the Star Spirits so choose. This would also explain why it's not seen during the Galaxy games. But I think the Power Stars(along with the Bean Star, and others) are sort-of like insurance policy, that way if anything ever happened to the Star Spirits, the people would be able to continue until new Star Men took their place. Due to all the people inhabiting the planet (hey, it's like twice bigger than Earth) I'd rather say items like the Beanstar were made to allow the Star Spirits to grant more wishes in less time, but the Beanstar accidentally fell down so the Star Spirits locked it. I doubt anything can happen to the Star Spirits, or to Stars generally. And I completely agree with you, Star Haven must be invisible when you're not near it. And you call yourself the worst theorizer here. Would you have an opposition to my statement, sir ? media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5768/699740-monocle_large.jpg |
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Post by Artemendo on Aug 26, 2010 15:09:54 GMT -5
It's really quite odd how many items exist that have the near-omnipotent ability to "grant wishes" that can plot-excusingly be used for evil. Why can't the higher powers, Star Spirits, whatever make an artifact that can "grant wishes but not bad ones" or "grant wishes but not kill people" for starters. I can't imagine this being more difficult to make than something with omnipotence.
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Post by EpicGyllynn on Aug 26, 2010 15:15:21 GMT -5
They aren't Omnipotent, just the Star Rod, which they are the caretakers of, and did not make(in Paper Mario they claim to have watched it since the Dawn of Time, something they couldn't do unless it was already in existence). The Power Stars can make one powerful, but not Omnipotent, even all of them. Though having all Seven Grand Stars at the same time would probably rival the Star Rod, which makes me wonder why Bowser didn't do that, maybe it's impossible for a physical being to wield all of that Power, I don't know...
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